Pro group call
Cherry's whelping, dog memory types, and handling leash reactivity
- Fri 5 Jun 2026
- 1 hr 56 min
Sunny Luthra opens by describing assisting his dog Cherry through a difficult whelping, then teaches working, associative and procedural memory and how each requires different correction timing and leash skills, using Johnny's reactivity case as a live example. The call also covers professional growth through self-review on video, client communication for boarding and training businesses, and Tony Robbins' six core human needs applied to dog-human relationships. It closes with myth-busting on talking buttons and talking dogs, and a discussion of canine instinct around death, trauma and spatial memory.
Key points (6)
- Working memory is about the present moment, associative memory is a habit still forming, and procedural memory is a habit that has already set in, each needing different correction timing.
- Leash lunging and reactivity should be handled with specific two-hand leash anchoring skills, and handlers must feel safe (using a muzzle if needed) for corrections to land.
- Recording and reviewing your own sessions is essential to spot where you feel fear or make mistakes, and that self-awareness builds instinctual, well-timed handling skills.
- Trauma forms fastest when emotions are high, so staying calm yourself when a dog is hurt or scared prevents a single incident from becoming a lasting fear.
- Humans have six core needs (certainty, uncertainty, significance, love, growth, contribution), and understanding them improves client relationships, business design and dealing with social conflict.
- Dogs lack self-awareness and episodic memory in the human sense, so claims about talking buttons or dogs doing math are largely marketing gimmicks built on trained cues.
- On the call
- Sunny, Reena, Vayu, Sakshi, Parth, Tavisha, and others
Cherry's whelping, dog memory types, and handling leash reactivity
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Transcript
Hindi written in English letters. The audio is the record.
Sunny
Okay. So issue hua complication hua and then unke uske saath Cherry ke saath. Toh main ekdum socha ki ab mere paas plan B hona chahiye ki kya karna hai. But kisi tareeke se maine manage manage ho gaya woh waali cheez. So mujhe woh Aamir Khan yaad aa raha tha.
Reena
Usmein movie ke na usne delivery online jo movie mein 3 Idiots mein. Toh mujhe lag raha tha ki aap bhi waise hi vet se poora.
Sunny
Vet ne toh sirf bola itna ki like mere ko figure out karna tha ki yeh natural hai ya fir yahan par help lagegi. Matlab kind of main ready tha. Toh main check kar raha tha. Ekdum sack burst ho gaya. Matlab it's like main phone pe hi tha vet ke saath aur maine unko video bheja jo aap logon ko video share kiya tha na.
Maine usko video bheja aur maine bola ki yaar yeh normal hai ki yeh nikaalna padega. Toh usne kaha ki ho sakta hai nikaalna pade. Main video dekhta hoon aur uske baad batata hoon toh agar nikaalna padega toh tumhe gel well yeh chahiye hoga. Yahan toh kuch bhi nahi tha mere paas.
Toh maine tab mere ko yaad aaya ki yaar plan B hona chahiye ki agar kuch complication ho gaya toh mere paas gloves hone chahiye. Mere paas gel hone chahiye. Tab mere ko Reena ji ki baat aayi. Maine unko bola tha ki plan B kyon rakhte ho hamesha.
Toh fir maine kaha, experience logon se na seekho experience matlab age and experience. Suno fir lekin fir maine khud ke maine kaha plan B fir mera doosra aadmi nikal gaya. Doosri personality toh woh bolta hai abe kya plan B har cheez ke liye plan B banayega kya? Toh maine kaha yaar teri baat teri baat bhi sahi hai.
Tu har cheez ke liye plan B banayega. Toh maine kaha jab bhi life and death ki baat hai tab plan B banana.
Maine kaha yes yes yes agreed agreed. So main bhaaga aur main nariyal ka pure nariyal ka oil pada tha. Apne haath sabun se dhoye maine aur main nariyal ka oil lekar aaya. Uske baad vet ka maine dobaara call kiya ki bhai uska sack burst ho gaya.
Toh fir usne bola ki yaar mere ko isko dekhkar lag raha hai ki usko tumhe assist karna padega. Tum gel lagao aur fir aise karo fir aise maneuver karo. Utni der mein toh maine like baahar hi nikaal liya tha. Itna sunne ke baad usko maine nariyal tel lagaya and then maine puppy ko baahar nikaal diya.
Lekin main dikh gaya tha puppy puppy bacha nahi hai. Toh maine usko bola puppy ko baahar nikaal diya puppy ko baahar nikaal diya. Maine kaha nikaal diya but woh bacha hua nahi hai. Toh usne kaha haan yaar isliye isliye woh ho gaya tha block ho gaya tha because woh hil nahi raha tha andar.
Toh puppy kya karte hain na jab woh canal mein hote hain na woh khud aise push maarte hain baahar nikalne ke liye apne pairon se in sab cheezon se khud push maarte hain.
Lekin agar puppy dead ho gaya na toh woh mother ko woh jo extra push hai woh nahi milta. Usko khud hi taakat lagaani hoti hai aur woh yeh paanchva puppy tha aakhiri puppy tha toh andar hi dead tha jab. Toh that's why humein khud ko nikaalna pada. Toh pehli baar tha yeh.
But anyways ab mujhe lagta hai main kisi bhi mother dog ko help kar sakta hoon. Toh kuch bhi nahi tha na gloves na kuch the. But mere ko understand hua.
Reena
Toh abhi woh kahan hai? Aapke aapke aapke room ke andar hai. Kahan par hai? Aapke room ke andar usne banaya tha.
Sunny
Mera toh room hi nahi hai. Main toh baahar chhat pe sota hoon. Toh humare rooms room hai yahan par aur ek room mein usko rakh usko rakha hua hai. Main room mein nahi sota. Chhat pe sota hoon main toh.
Reena
Nahi par yeh usne apna den kaise banaya? Matlab where did how did she pick up a place where to deliver?
Sunny
Ab woh ja rahi thi. Pehle do kamre hain yahan par toh ek kamre mein ja rahi thi aur us kamre mein like kapde-vapde mere pade rehte hain kind of thing. Toh us kamre mein ja rahi thi bed pe bed pe ja rahi thi. Maine usko wahan se hataya toh doosre kamre mein jaakar baith rahi thi.
Lekin usne peeche aakar yahan par woh diya puppy diya yahan par. Mere ko pehle do teen baar bola usne.
Reena
Was she whining around while delivering?
Sunny
No no nothing. Mujhe pehle kuch bola jab main idhar aaya na toh mere ko aise mere upar jump kari aur aise aise kiya mere upar. Toh mere ko samajh mein nahi aaya us samay par yeh kya bol rahi hai. Yeh mujhse kuch attention maang rahi hai. Generally waise karti hai lekin is samay thoda sa alag tha uska behavior.
Fir main kaam pe baith gaya. Computer pe baith gaya. Woh thodi der mein puppy ki rone ki aawaaz aayi. Maine kaha arey yeh kya hua? Maine peeche dekha.
Yeh kya hua? Yeh puppy kahan se aa gaya? Fir woh puppy mein placenta laga hua and then she is eating there. Aur maine kaha yahan kaise de sakti puppy neeche girne waala. Woh latak raha puppy aur maa khadi hui. So I was like what the hell ab kya karoon main? Toh maine puppy ko apne haath mein liya.
Woh turant bhaagi hui aayi andar uski jagah banayi and then fir usne wahan par start kiya deliver karna. Toh abhi wahin par hi hai.
Reena
So did deliver standing did deliver standing?
Sunny
Nahi woh ghabra gayi. Usko pata nahi tha kya hua. Woh bhi ghabra gayi. Woh ekdum puppy usko samajh nahi aaya puppy ko kaise handle karein. Woh ghoom rahi thi puppy ghoom raha because puppy placenta bandha hua tha uske aur placenta toh it was chaos. Woh pehli baar tha jab rone ki aawaaz aayi mujhe puppy ki.
Toh maine turant puppy ko uthaya and uski ek haath mein puppy ko pakda aur ek haath se jagah banayi and then usko rakha wahan par then she started us jagah par.
So subah subah ho gaya. Main soch raha main nahi hota toh kya kar rahi hoti? But tab kar hi leti. Kahin na kahin de hi deti nature hai. Woh toh main tha toh cheez ho gayi. Chali jaati kahin na kahin. So anyways but is tareeke se poora like amazing tha.
Nayi cheezein samajh mein aayi and then itna confidence aaya ki abhi kisi mother dog mein kuch issue hoga toh hum solve kar lenge. Like ek issue hota hai canal mein fans jaata hai canal se baahar nikalta nahi.
So that's why mere ko iski knowledge tab mili thi ek baar main vet ke paas gaya tha aur vet ke kisi case ke liye gaya tha. Usmein ek skin upar aa gayi thi like penis se upar skin aa jaati hai penis andar jaata nahi hai dog ka. Toh usey bohot taakat lagaani hoti hai. Haan recording start kar di humne.
Usey bohot taakat lagaani hoti hai aur main dar raha tha. So woh vet aayi aur maine us vet ko poori tareeke se observe kiya us samay par.
You know like woh kya kar rahi hai uski mental state kya hai vet ki vet ki emotional state kya hai. Uske haath kitne steady hain. Toh woh poora dekhta raha. Matlab bina kuch soche woh dekhta raha aur dekha ki usne kitna easily pressure lagakar usko baahar nikaal diya.
Toh jab yahan par hua na woh same vet mere andar aa gayi. Matlab kind of uska behavior ki usne kis tareeke se handle kiya tha. Mera haath apne aap hi badha and us pe oil lagaya aur haath andar gaya aur usko nikaala. Maine kaha arey waah yeh kya baat yeh kya maza hai.
Matlab kind of it is new for me na pehli baar thi and automatic hi hua yeh saari ki saari cheezein. Toh it was like mere liye bhi miracle tha. Maine kal dekha bhi isse and ex-ex-experience kiya. So amazing tha. Bohot amazing experience tha. So chaar pup, paanch puppies hue. Paanch mein se ek toh nahi rahi.
Wo bhi female thi aur chaar mein se bhi teen female hai aur sirf ek male. Ek male hai. So I was thinking ki yahan par masculine energy bahut zyada badh gayi hai. We need females. Toh poora pack female lekar aa raha hai. So it's like naye puppies hai wo bhi saare females hai.
Matlab iski pu-iski pup-ye iske puppy jo birth hue wo bhi saare females hai aur hamare paas jo naye puppies hai wo bhi saare females hai. Toh kind of female badh gayi hai. That's, that's the overall thing. Yeah, that's it. So I think aaj memory ke baare mein padhenge aur ya girl power. Yahan zaroorat hai shayad.
So memory ke baare mein padhenge and main sabse pehle usse poochun, aap logon se poochunga ki jo pehle humne memory padhi thi jismein humne sabse pehle working memory padhi, phir uske baad associative me-memory padhi and then procedural memory, memory padhi.
Ye start karne se pehle koi sawaal hai aap logon ke? Aadarsh ke us pe co-case ke upar baat karenge abhi hum. Like wo leash ka handling kaise karna. Yes, Parth.
Speaker 3
Hi sir. Ek question tha ki jab working memory hum bolte hain ki ek moment hai jaise agar hum apne aap ko consider karein, hum koi question solve kar rahe hain and suddenly koi hume disturb kar deta hai toh hum basically us moment se nikal jaate hain. Phir hume waapas jaana padta hai, dekhna padta hai.
Toh similarly kya dogs mein bhi agar jab hum snap out karte hain ya correction dete hain toh moment change hoti hai ya wo us moment mein us correction ko leta hai?
Sunny
Nahin, wo jaise, jaise suppose kar le wo koi cheez kar raha hai. Hai na. Kisi cheez ke upar fo-focused hai. Usne kaha main focused hoon is cheez ke upar. Humne snap out kar diya toh wo kya relate karega? Focus, snap out. Focus, snap out. So ye focus phir kabhi trigger hi nahin hoga uska.
Getting my point? Kyunki focus karte hi wo snap out, snap out ho gaya. Toh uska matlab kya? Usko kya signal mil raha? Wo wahan nahin dekh sakta. Wo, wo questions nahin poochte. Wo ye nahin poochte kyun. Haan, insaan poochta hai kyun. Ki bhai main wahan apan tumhare apne parents apan ko bolenge wahan nahin dekha.
Apan kahein kyun nahin dekhe? Hum toh dekhenge. Hai na. Toh dog ye nahin poochte. Dog ye nahin poo-dog kyun nahin poo-ye nahin poochenge ki main kyun nahin dekh sakta. Hum usko manayenge tu wahan nahin dekh sakta. Main dekh raha hoon. Hum, tu wahan nahin dekh sakta. Main dekh raha hoon. Wo kyun nahin poochte?
Okay, samajh mein, samajh mein aaya. Toh uski working memory kya hai? Wo wahan par dekh raha aur snap out ho gaya. Yaani dekh raha hoon us, wo cheez focus, snap out. Okay na. So over a period usko kya samajh mein aa jaayega? Wo us taraf nahin dekh sakta. No question asked kind of thing.
Okay. So hume dog se jab hum behave karte hain hum yahi method apply karte hain. No question asked. Yaani hamare andar ye nahin aata ki tu ye kar. Kyun ye kar? Jaise insaan bolte hain na ki bhai tu is tareeqe se behave kar warna aisa ho jaayega kyunki aisa ho jaayega kyunki kind of this thing.
So ek behaviorist wo dimaag mein nahin lekar aata. Toh ek tareeqe se behaviorist ko dictator bhi bol sakte ho. Kyunki hum kyun nahin batate. Hum directly batate hain ki kya karna hai. Lekin wo dictatorship nahin hai. Human ki usmein dictatorship ho-ho sakti hai. Lekin dog ki usmein nahin.
Dog ki usmein wo connection hai. Kyunki dog is tareeqe se hi sochte hain. There is no kyun. Okay, toh phir hum kyun dene cha-- hum jab kyun dete hain na ya apne mind mein hum kyun lekar aate hain ya why uska explanation lekar aate hain toh timing off ho jaati hai correction ki.
Kyunki na hamare interaction ki timing off ho jaati hai.
Yaani timing less ho jaayegi. Kyunki jo hum soch rahe hain, jo hum explanation de rahe hain wo kidhar se aa raha hai? Wo idhar se aa raha hai. Thinking se aa raha hai. Instincts thinking se fast hai. Thinking late hai. So dog instinctual hai aur tum think kar rahe ho. There is no connection. There is no connection.
So tumhare hamesha correction off time, off, off ho. Hamesha. Agar thinking se ja rahe ho ki dog aisa kar raha hai toh mujhe aisa behave karna chahiye. Off. Itni der mein toh baat hi khatam ho gayi. Hai na. So ek ya do second ka wo rehta hai. Wo sirf instinctual human hi start kar sakta hai.
Hume instinctual banna padta hai is cheez ke liye. Yaani kyun band. Kind of thing. Okay. Samajh mein aaya? Good. Any more questions guys? Good question. Okay. So wo-so working maine memory ke upar aap, aap logon se videos maange the aur un videos mein kuch-kuch galtiyan hain.
Matlab kind of thing. Kash, Vayu ji ya Vayu video on karna yahan tera.
Vayu
Sorry sir, wo main inka food bana raha tha. kitchen mein.
Sunny
Okay, okay.
Vayu
Photo le ke.
Sunny
Okay. So nahin, mujhe tujhse sunna hai. Tere se wo sunna hai. For example, tumhara video dekha tha maine and I found some improvement ka wo.
Vayu
Okay.
Sunny
So ex-mujhe explain karna padega tere ko waapas ki like you explain to me in short ki what is working memory and what is associative memory and what is procedural memory? Just short mein. 45 seconds mein.
Vayu
Okay. So working is short term memory. For example, right now jo action hui, theek hai. Ya phir abhi jo bhi chal raha hai wo dog ko like few seconds ke liye ya phir maximum as you said ki one to two minutes ke liye wo act yaad rehta hai.
So that is working memory aur uske behavior pe agar kuch correct karna hai toh usko usi moment mein correct karna hai, usi second mein, usi split of second mein. So all these things comes under working memory, right? Short term memory. Aur phir second apna ins-associative memory.
Sunny
Associative memory.
Vayu
So associative memory is something uh, which forms after repetitions, right?
Sunny
Hmm.
Vayu
Toh repetitions ke saath hota hai. Jaise ki abhi humne explain kiya tha ki leash, leash ka best example tha. Leash uthaate hi uh, dog, dog relates it to the walk.
Lekin walk mein jo bhi ho raha hai like for example usko jo bhi pasand hai walk ke baare mein the exploring and everything, wo uske liye ek rewarding basis pe hai. And because of this reward dog usko leash ko ek walk ke basis pe le raha hai.
Toh that is associative. Aur humne jo bell ke bhi baare mein example liya tha ki usko pehle wo saamne waale kya heart dekhta hai. Phir someone comes aur us-wo poore picture ko ek association bana leta hai mind mein.
Aur us tarah se wo ek chhota sa jo bhi trigger hai, is case mein leash, us case mein apna bell toh ye sab usko trigger karta hai and that becomes associative memory.
Sunny
What is procedural?
Vayu
Procedural...
Sunny
Okay, so yahi galti thi teri procedural ki galti thi kyunki jab tune explain kiya na toh procedural ka tere ko clear se understanding nahin tha. Toh in cheez ko samajhne ka bahut hi simple tareeqa hai. Working memory jo present mein chal rahi hai. Associative memory jiski habit ban rahi hai, abhi bani nahin hai.
Vayu
Okay.
Sunny
Working associative memory kya hai? Iski association jiski habit ban rahi hai, abhi bani nahi hai. That is associative memory. Hai na uski yeh process procedural memory habit ban chuki hai.
Vayu
Okay.
Sunny
That is the simple thing. Okay, working memory jo present mein chal raha hai. Associative memory yaani abhi iski habit ban rahi hai.
Vayu
Ongoing hai. Okay.
Sunny
Ongoing hai. Procedural yaani habit ban chuki hai. Ab usko commands ki zaroorat nahi hoti. Ab usko cue ki zaroorat nahi hoti. Just tum uthte ho, tumhare andar ki cheezein changes hoti hain ya tumhare emotion changes hote hain ya phir just time aata hai. He knows what to do.
Vayu
Procedural maine aise-aise yeh understand kiya tha. For example, jaise ki for example abhi Max ke saath ya phir Brownie ke saath. Pehle maine unko teach kiya ki sit phir treat milegi.
Phir ab toh abhi jab bhi haath mein kuch leta hoon, pehle se hi baithe rehte hain. Toh unke muscles pehle se hi dimaag mein baith gaye ki yeh treat rewarding hai. Yeh milne ke liye aise baithna padega neeche. Toh woh baith rahe hain.
Aur phir jab maine aur deep mein padha tha uske baare mein toh maine yeh kiya tha ki dog jaise abhi aapke jo dogs hain, woh terrain mein maneuver karte hain yahan par upar neeche right. Toh ek first time dog ko laaya usko step karne mein bhi difficulty ho jaayegi. That is very new for him.
Lekin because of the repetitions aapke dog ke muscle mein woh baith gaya hai ki agar yeh abhi kal ke video mein aapka woh us din ke video mein bahut saari yeh thi. Toh maine dog ko dekha. Woh left leg thoda upar neeche karke rakh raha tha. But very easily woh wahan se maneuver kar raha tha. Aapne jab pup bolkar bola.
Toh yeh unke muscles mein baith gaya ki mujhe pahaad par aise chadhna hai, yahan se aise utarna hai, yahan se swiftly aise turn maarna hai. Toh jo bhi unke muscles mein ya phir unke body mein woh action skills develop ho gaye.
Basically aapke dog ke jo skills develop ho gaye usko I was considering as procedural memory. That's why I connected it with muscles plus skills aisa maine bola tha.
Sunny
Woh again hum kisi se bhi connect kar sakte hain jiski bhi habit ho gayi hai. Hai na? So pahaad par chadhne ki habit ho gayi hai, aise baithne ki habit ho gayi hai that is procedural. Jo procedural mein ja chuka hai. Matlab uski gehrai mein andar ja chuka hai.
Ab usko aise humein cue dene ki zaroorat nahi hoti ya phir humein guide karne ki zaroorat nahi hoti. They already know. Matlab aisa hota hai ki jaise association tumne kaise banaya tha? Tumne sit bola tha, tumne yeh kiya tha, haath aise dikhaya tha and then uske baad woh neeche baitha tha.
Ab procedural mein jaane ke baad kya hota hai? Just tum usko aise dekhte ho, aise khade hote ho toh apne aap baith jaata hai woh. Na cue ki zaroorat padti hai, na tumhein aise karne ki zaroorat hoti hai. Agar tum neeche bhi baithe ho aur tum aise karoge ya phir treat aise lekar aaoge toh woh turant aise baith jaayega.
Woh kyun? Woh kaise habit ban gaya? Tumne habit toh alag cheez se banayi thi. Lekin woh itni saari cheezon se jo tumne association uska start hua tha, woh compact ho jaata hai. Hai na? Woh beech ke patterns gaayab ho jaate hain. Woh directly idhar se idhar kood jaata hai.
Vayu
Outcome par.
Sunny
Haan, seedha procedural par.
Vayu
Also the human example which I gave like for example koi achha cricketer hai aur uski taraf woh baat kar raha hai aur uski taraf agar ball aata hai toh uska immediately haath aise upar jaata hai aur ball pakad le. Woh reflexes hain muscle ke.
So human way human context mein agar pakda jaaye toh yeh uski procedural memory ban gayi ki ball aaya maine aise achanak se pakad liya.
Sunny
Yes, 100%. Matlab aur bhi cheezein ismein included hoti hain. Like yeh toh sirf samajhne ke perspectives hain. Like simply body ki bhi memory hoti hai. Body ki cells ki bhi memory hoti hai. Tumhare joints ki bhi kitna tum khol sakte ho, kitna woh kar sakte ho.
Again yeh hai toh tumhari habit tumhari repetitions ke upar. So humans ke saath bhi same cheez same cheez for example isi memory ko log alag-alag categories mein daal sakte hain. Bhale associative memory ka naam bhi nahi aaye, kisi aur memory ka naam aa jaaye wahan par. Yeh just samajhne ke perspectives hain.
Scientific koi alag name ho sakta hai. Is category ko alag rakh diya. Koi teen hi category de sakta hai ya koi do hi category de sakta hai. Implicit and explicit type ki category hai, usmein cheezon ko add kar sakta hai. Yeh sirf samajhne ke perspectives hain. Yeh saari categories ko banayi gayi hai.
Matlab andar saara kuch they are like one thing, hai na? And still they are divided into multiple parts.
Vayu
Subtypes uske layers aa rahe hain.
Sunny
Layers hain lekin it's like woh sab kuch hai ek hi. Lekin phir layers hain different-different.
Vayu
Aap specify kar rahe ho usko.
Sunny
Yeah, hum usko specify kar rahe hain. So habit padti hai aur procedural mein jaati hai. Yes, Sakshi ji.
Speaker 5
Sir, ek question hai iske related. So reactivity hoti hai dogs ki matlab dog ko dekhte hi uske upar lunge karna ya phir uski taraf bite karne jaana. So woh bhi over a period of time procedural ban jaati hai. Matlab yeh procedural hai. Pehle woh dekhta tha, observe karta tha toh tab woh sirf associative memory thi.
Phir woh repeat-repeat hokar observation chala gaya direct uska matlab dog ko dekha matlab lunge karega.
Sunny
Yes, woh procedural memory. Haan, toh dekho pehle kya, pehle kya hua tha? Woh smell karta tha, woh dekhta tha, kuch aahat aati thi, uske baad lunging hoti thi. Over a period time kya hua? Yeh jo beech ke jo three compact ho gaye.
Hai na? Ab woh zara sa agar usko aahat aati hai reaction.
Vayu
First trigger is equal to final action.
Sunny
Final action.
Vayu
Aise bhi bol sakte hain. Hai na?
Sunny
Haan.
Vayu
Pehle aap bol rahe ho ki woh step one smell, then vision, then body language understand karna. Phir fourth tha ki uske upar charge karna. Abhi aap bol rahe ho ki dog dikhao direct charge ho gaya fourth action.
Sunny
Dog dikhao direct charge ho gaya. Ab yahan par hai na handler ki skills badhti jaati hai kind of thing. Agar dog agar hum jaise client se poochte hain, client se humne poocha ki bhai dog kaise behave karta hai? Toh wahi woh ekdum attack, woh attack kar deta hai. Toh sirf humein har ek client yahi bolega.
Woh koi yeh nahi bolega ki woh pehle dekhta hai, woh yeh karta hai. Koi bhi yeh nahi bolega. Woh sabse pehle kya bolenge ki dog attack kar deta hai. Phir humein unse poochna hota hai ki woh dog pehle attack karta hai toh us attack se pehle kya rukta hai kya?
Woh kahin par dekhna chaalu karte hain kya? Uske kaan seedhe ho jaate hain kya? Woh sniff karna start kar, woh sniff karna start karta hai kya? Tab woh bolte kya woh kabhi kaha, kabhi ise observe nahi kiya. Toh hum unko bolte ki observe karna start karo then we will again start it.
Toh woh observe karte hain then phir woh cheez batate hain ki aisa hota hai ki woh rukta hai. Tab tumhein samajh mein aaya ki abhi banda associative memory mein yaani skill itni nahi lagi. Hai na. Isko online bhi tum handle kar sakte ho. Lekin agar woh procedural mein chala gaya toh skill zyada uske andar.
Hai na tumhari skill zyada hai. Skill kis cheez ki zyada hai? Tumhein snap out karna toh aana hi chahiye. Woh toh by default hai. Hai na. Tumhein snap out karna ki skill toh aani hi chahiye. Tumhein leash handling ki skill toh aani hi chahiye.
Procedural mein jaane ke baad tumhari observation ki skill sabse zyada matter karti hai ki woh kab A, A mein aaya.
Woh jaise hi woh yoon hota hai na, iss kind of halka sa bhi change hota hai na ussi samay humein usko rokna hota hai. Agar hum uss samay nahi rok paate, yeh agree, yeh theek hone mein time leta hai. Dog theek hone mein time leta hai aur agar aapne ussi samay rok diya toh within a correction or two that's it.
Within a correction or two dog change ho jaata hai, dog change ho jaata hai. So yeh, yeh magic lagta hai phir. Logon ko magic lagta hai. Yeh lekin completely skill ke upar hai.
So dog ko pehle padh-padhna hota hai humko ki agar dog bilkul procedural mein jaa chuka hai toh humein awareness poore market se hataani padti hai aur seedha uske upar lekar aani hoti hai ki woh kabhi bhi badlega. Lekin tension mein nahi lekar aani hoti. Hai na tension mein anticipations pe lekar aani hoti.
Ek calm alertness lekar aani hoti hai ki hum calm hain lekin hamara poora focus uski taraf hai shaanti se, kind of thing ki woh kab change ho raha hai.
Toh jaise hi woh change hota hai usko correction mil jaata hai. Toh iss tareeke se tum procedural memory waale dogs ke upar handle karte ho. Ab jaise aa, aa, Aadarsh case lekar aaya Johnny ka. Hai na Johnny ka. Toh it's like woh procedural ki taraf jaa raha hai. It's not woh complete.
Speaker 6
Jao.
Sunny
Haan jao. Okay, okay. So, so woh procedural memory ki taraf jaa raha hai woh banda. Aur lekin uss Johnny ke saath kya plus point hai, woh slow hai. Hai na Johnny by default slow hai. Johnny agar bark bhi karta hai na toh woh like mauka deta hai wow hai na, this kind of thing.
Woh mauka agar tum observation dekhoge ki uska munh upar jaa raha hai, neeche aa raha hai, woh bark growl karne aa raha hai. So woh generally on an average dogs se slow. On an average dog.
Toh agar yeh procedural mein chala bhi gaya then also you will have time kyunki generally slow hai. Agar procedural mein chala bhi gaya toh iski body poori hilne mein hi time lagaayegi. Woh lunge karne mein time lagaayegi. Usse pehle tum isko correct kar sakte ho.
Toh jaise ab lekin correction tabhi possible hai agar jo human handle kar raha hai usko woh safe feel kar raha hai.
Agar human jo handle kar raha hai woh safe feel nahi kar raha because of any reason because, because abhi skill develop ho rahi hai because puraana kuch incident hua hua hai dimaag mein, puraani bite hui hui hai ya phir kuch anticipation hua hua hai kisi bhi tareeke ka.
Lekin agar human safe feel nahi kar raha toh phir woh correction kaam nahi karenge. Handler, handler ke corrections kaam nahi karenge.
So kyunki in dogs ke saath kaise kaam karna tha? For example Johnny kya karta hai? Johnny leash ke upar lunge karta hai. okay aur jis insaan ne usko pakda hota hai uski taraf bhi upar kood ke jaata hai. Yahan par hum kis tareeke se behave karte hain aise dog ke saath.
Aise dog ke saath maine woh tumhe skill sikhaayi thi kind of thing. Ek haath se aise pakadni hoti hai humko. Hai na aur leash ko iss taraf lekar jaana hota hai aur dog jaise hi jump karta hai toh humein yeh phir waapas se upar lekar jaana hota hai taaki hamara haath nahi pakad sake.
Woh upar jump karta hai aur upar rehta hai aur ussi ke saath humein waapas se usko neeche lekar aana hota hai. Toh iss tareeke se tum aise dog ke jo leash ke snapping ke woh rehte hain issues rehte hain woh tum solve kar sakte ho. Johnny ke saath jaldi kar sakte ho. Agar tum safe feel kar rahe ho toh.
Toh Johnny ke saath safe feel kaise karoge? Johnny ko muzzle laga ke safe feel kara sakte ho.
Agar woh skill develop nahi ho pa rahi hamare paas aise leash pakadne ki. Ek haath se yeh leash pakdi hui hai aur ek haath se yeh leash pakdi hui hai. Jaise Johnny hamare paas aayega hum kya karenge upar karenge. Main aaj tumhare saath woh ek again kuch, kuch videos hain. Main yaad rakhta hoon leash waale.
Ek toh abhi woh Pomeranian, Spitz ke saath hi hai. Woh puraane bhi videos hain jab iss tareeke se dog hamare par attack karne aaya tha aur humne issi tareeke se usko roka tha. Hai na alag-alag intensity ke dogs hain and main usko tumhare saath share karunga ki leash lunging ke videos share karne hain.
Hai na leash lunging ke. So leash lunging ke videos leash lunging ke jo dogs hote hain unko iss tareeke se handle kiya jaata hai. Kaise? Do haath ki leash waale skills se.
okay woh aap ek haath se bhi kar, ek haath se bhi kar sakte ho lekin usmein again aapko woh rakhna padta hai like door rakhna padta hai haath ko aur jaise hi woh jump karta hai humein haath ko apne upar lekar jaana hota hai.
Yeh waala zyada safe rehta hai logon ke liye. Aap do haath se, do haath se pakde hue jaise hi woh aapke paas aa raha hai, aapne seedha iss haath ko woh kiya uss poori leash ke upar aur isko upar kar diya. Ab woh aapke paas nahi aa sakta, aapke pair ke paas nahi aa sakta. Woh door rahega.
Toh door, woh door rakha hua hai, humne usko aise kiya hua aur ab aise karke baitha rahe. Iske liye leash hamesha yahan par honi chahiye, iss jagah par honi chahiye. Agar woh yahan par nahi hai you will lose it. Kyun? Kyunki uss, aapke paas itna leverage nahi milega. Uski gardan aage rahegi.
Woh pressure maar ke aapke seedha pair ke paas aayega. okay uska aapke paas itna leverage nahi milega, aapke paas itna control, control nahi milega. So agar yeh upar nahi hai toh humein dog ko phir nachaana padta hai. Nachaane ka matlab kya hai? Hum suppose kar le koi uski leash ko theek nahi kar sakta.
Toh hum, hum kya, hum kya karenge usko thoda, usko leash denge, usko apni taraf aane denge aur idhar se nikaalenge aur phir waapas lekar aayenge ghuma kar use taaki leash kahan par aa jaaye kheenchkar.
Jaise leash yahan par, jaise leash yahan par kheenchkar iss jagah par aa gayi, hum turant wahan par break laga ke usko shaanti se baithenge. So humein dimaag uss samay dog ko leash par rakhna padta hai jab snapping waale behavior ke upar aa rahe hain. Agar kyunki woh yahan par chala gaya tab correction mat do.
Correction mat do. Ekdam band kar do correction dena. Kya uss samay mein humein kya karna hai? Usko idhar, idhar bhejna hai ya usko kisi bhi direction mein bhejna hai. Hamara maqsad kya rahega leash waapas se khisak kar yahan aa jaaye. Yahan, yahan par aa jaaye.
Toh jaise hi woh aage jaayega hum usko sideways kheenchenge. sideways karte hi leash kidhar aayegi? Waapas upar aa jaayegi na.
Kyunki beech mein chalegi sideways se kiya humne leash waapas se upar aa gayi aur jaise leash waapas upar aayi toh hum usko apni taraf lekar aaoge and then same cheez karoge. Samjha? same cheez karoge. so multiple skills yahan par add hoti hai dogs ke saath.
Toh over a period time tum different, different dogs ke saath aise multiple skills gain karne lag jaate ho. Aur phir jaise, jaise dog ki intensity increase hoti hai wahan par tumhe multiple skills ko apne usmein lekar aana hoga ki mujhe ab yeh karna hai, mujhe ab yeh karna hai, mujhe ab yeh karna hai.
Lekin agar tumhare instincts ready nahi hai. instinct ready kaise hote hain? again yeh poori ki poori skill procedural memory mein jaani chahiye. Iska matlab kya? Pehli baar mein nahi hoga. okay pehli baar galti hogi, doosri baar galti hogi, teesri baar galti hogi, 10 baar galti hogi.
Uske baad woh associative memory, uske baad woh procedural memory mein aayega.
Apne insaano ke how to do this thing, how to do this toh first time toh isliye safe feel hona zaroori hai na. Safe feel hona zaroori hai. Toh usko kya us dog ko muzzle lagana zaroori hai.
Muzzle lagana zaroori hai aur Aadarsh ko muzzle lagane ke liye isliye kyu bol raha hoon iske liye hume clear hona padega kyunki tum abhi skill develop kar rahe ho is cheez ki. Toh agar tum woh skill develop kar rahe ho and you are feeling ki dog attack ho sakta hai, aapke kadam kya honge? Peeche jaayenge.
Aur aapke kadam agar peeche jaayenge toh dog kya, kya, kya hoga? Aapki taraf aur tezi se aayega. Aur tezi se aayega then aapke pair fumble ho jaayenge. Pair fumble honge toh kya hoga? Aap gir jaaoge. Jab aap giroge toh dog, dog ke andar kya hoga? Predator instinct trigger hoga. Lekin yeh sab kahaan se start hua?
Peeche jaane se. Hai na? Aur, aur yahi cheez hum alag kar sakte hain.
Dog hamari taraf aa raha hai aur agar hum safe feel kar rahe hain leash upar ek haath se leash idhar ek haath se leash. Agar height itni upar height tumhari zyada nahi hai toh. Hai na? Agar height tumhari zyada hai toh then tum ek haath se usko aise, aise kar sakte ho. Hai na? Ek haath se.
Lekin agar height zyada nahi hai toh do haath use kar lo. Toh do haath se tum use karoge toh tum ek is haath se poore usko angle se apne idhar, udhar rakh sakte ho. Usko kitna door, kitni paas tumhare aa sakta hai woh depend karta hai tumhara haath tum usko kaise kar. Toh isse tum control kar sakte ho.
Woh tumhare kitne paas aa sakta hai. Samjha isko? Ki kaise tum usko control kar sakte ho. Ek haath se leash pakdiye aur doosre haath se us leash ko tight rakha. Hai na? Taaki agar hum usko aur chhota karna toh hum is, is haath ko door lekar chale jaayein.
Lekin yeh angle hamesha wahaan bana rahe ek anchor ki tarah ek haath.
Toh dog hamare paas aayega nahi. So kuch seconds ke liye dog shaant ho jaayega. Then hamare paas mauka hoga ki hum phir se woh start kar sakein. Now in cheezon ko karne ke liye these muscles should be good aap logon ke. Okay na. Agar yeh muscles good nahi hai two seconds mein haath neeche aa jaayega aapka.
Aap woh, woh kar nahi paaoge. Usko rok nahi paaoge. Usko sambhaal, usko sambhaal. Bhale kitna bhi light dog. Hai na? You will feel woh pressure apne haath ke upar agar hume zyada der bhi hume laga so these muscles should be good. Okay so yeh in sab cheezon ki zaroorat actual mein zaroorat padti hai.
Jab hum aise behavior cases mein aapki physical taakat ki zaroorat padti hai like you should be like ek base level par physically strong. Aisa nahi ki like you are not physically strong aur aap aise dogs ko handle karne jaa rahe ho toh it is not going to work.
Hai na? Toh wahaan par dog ki duniya mein psyche toh hai hi sahi, psychology toh hai hi sahi but ek physical ka bhi ek woh hai status hai wahaan par us thing par. So agar aap physically weak ho toh aap bahut saari cheezein handle nahi kar paaoge. Hai na?
Dog ke saath run nahi kar paaoge, dog ke saath tez walk nahi kar paaoge. Agar aapka balance nahi hai, body ka balance nahi hai toh hum bicycle par run nahi kar paayenge. Agar aapki awareness, aapki awareness kam hai, aap jaldi dar jaate ho toh dog ka aap snap out nahi kar paaoge.
So mental health bhi chahiye hoti hai aur humko physical health bhi chahiye hoti hai animals ke saath work karne ke. Toh it's a jitna yeh ek bahut badi, badi like gap hai ki jitna dog behaviorist like jitna deeply work karte hain utna logon ko pata nahi hai ki woh kitna deeply work karte hain. Hai na?
Logon ko pata nahi hai ki ek dog behaviorist kitna deeply work karta hai.
Dog trainer aur dog behaviorist mein it's, it's this is the big difference ki dog behaviorist kitna deep jaakar work karta hai. So agar aap dog ke saath work kar rahe ho ek jiski procedural memory mein woh jaa chuki hai then you will require different kind of leash waale skills.
The first skill jo maine aapko bataya this thing agar dog, dog aapke paas aa raha hai toh you can use two hands aur usko rok sakte ho isko anchor banakar. Aapke paas nahi aayega. Lekin agar leash beech mein aa chuki hai then aapko figure out karna hoga ki usko rokna nahi hai, usko jaane dena hai ek side mein se.
Side mein se jaayega aap woh leash waapas se top par lekar aaoge, usko apni taraf kheechoge, thoda sa peeche hatoge lekin woh peeche aap dar se nahi hat rahe ho. Aap strategically peeche hat rahe ho. Getting it? Thoda sa peeche hatoge, woh aapki taraf aane lagega.
Again aap haath aise lekar jaaoge leash ko chhota karoge aur isse anchor banaoge aur usko wahin par baitha doge.
This way aap usko snap out karoge jab bhi woh aapki taraf aa raha hoga. So over a period time, over a period time kya hoga? Dog ko kya samjhega ki main iski taraf nahi jaa sakta, yeh guide kar sakta hai. Then phir aapke andar ek confidence aayega ki aap usko short leash par apne ekdam paas mein walk, walk kara rahe ho.
Jab aap is Johnny ko short leash mein paas mein brisk walk karoge na yeh jump hi nahi karega. Kyunki yeh iske mind mein itni taakat hi nahi hai ki ya toh yeh walk kar sakta hai ya toh jump kar sakta hai. Iske mind mein itni taakat hi nahi ki jab yeh walk se jump mein turant shift ho jaaye.
Bahut saare dogs hote hain jo walk karte, karte jump mein turant shift ho sakte hain lekin Johnny nahi ho sakta. Hai na? Uske usmein, usmein itni oorja nahi hai ki woh shift ho sake. So agar tum usko tez walk kara rahe ho na jaise fast walk kara rahe ho na woh jump nahi karega.
He will start walking like this tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck no question asked ekdam paas mein. Aur Johnny bahut accha follower dog hai by nature hai na bahut se dogs stubborn hote hain. Bahut se dog jumping waale hote hain. Bahut se dogs territorial bhi ho sakte hain.
Lekin Johnny by default ek isko maasoom bol sakte hain. Hai na ek maasoom, ek confused maasoom banda hai Johnny. So usko us nazar se dekhna hoga. Lekin woh bada hai toh woh harm kar sakta hai. Getting my point?
Speaker 7
Waise nahi hai sir ki jo bhi raaste mein milega usko kaatega aise nahi hai sir. Jab bhi leash reactivity ho raha tha na mere pair ke paas bhi aaya, soongha phir waapas chala gaya. Uska kaam ho gaya sir. Toh uske dimaag mein kisi ko bhi kaatna woh nahi hai.
Sunny
Nahi hai, nahi hai. Woh misunderstood hai. Dog misunderstood hai. Getting my point? Jab tumhe case mila tha misunderstood tha na woh case poora ka poora. Toh Johnny actual mein kya tha? Ek maasoom baccha hai na. Hai na ekdam maasoom and confused hai na complete tareeqe se. Ya so usko kya lagegi? Guidance lagegi.
Lekin guidance out of fear nahi ho sakta dost. Okay so because of that size, because of that build. Agar uski jagah suppose kar le same size matlab same nature lekin ek Shih Tzu ka, ek Pomeranian ka hota, tu easily handle kar leta na. Getting my point? Hai na same behavior.
Agar ek Shih Tzu ka hota, ek Pomeranian ka hota tu easily handle kar leta usko. So size se farak padta hai. Hai na insaan ke dimaag par size. Kyunki us size se impact bhi toh padta hai bite ka. Hai na woh alag-alag jagah toh it is completely okay.
Lekin aage aane wale time par tujhe muzzle pehnane ki zaroorat nahi padegi. Agar tu isko learn karta rahega. Shuruat mein it's good thing. Shuruat mein muzzle pehnao aur muzzle pehna ke kar. Kyunki apne videos khud bhi dekha kar aur videos jo hum khud dekhenge toh hum kya, kya, kya dekhenge?
Dog ko nahi, hum khud ko dekhenge. Hai na. Hum khud mein kya dekhenge? Main kahan par dara? Us samay mera mindset kya tha? Aur us samay maine kya socha tha? Aur actual mein kya chal raha tha? okay aur main isko kaise handle kar sakta hoon aage next time. Kyunki dobara aayega.
Hai na jis cheez se bhi hum jeevan mein darte hain woh wapas hamare taraf aati hai. Matlab mere life mein toh aisa hota hai bhai. Baaki mere ko nahi idea. Lekin mere life mein toh aisa hota hai ki main jis cheez se darta hoon woh saamne ke khada ho jaata hai allah pata. Maine kaha yaar abhi kya karoon?
Toh handle hi karna padta hai.
Toh phir tab se maine bana liya main jahan darta hoon main wahan pehle jaata hoon ki wapas aayega hi sahi toh main hi aa jaata hoon na bhai. Toh kind of thing over a period time tumhe samajh mein aa jaayega ki yaar main isi jagah par dar raha tha. Hai na aur mujhe yahan yahan par alag-alag tareeqe se behave karna hai.
so khud ko observe karna bahut zyada zaroori hai. Khud ke agar tum videos lete ho na woh gold, woh gold hai. Matlab jab main socializing sessions leta tha Pune mein, I don't know kitne logon ko pata hai yeh wali baatein.
Lekin hum socializing sessions lete the jahan par free roaming free dogs matlab dogs aate the off leash rehte the.
Hai na so woh socializing, woh, woh, woh socializing sessions start karte-karte aur woh continuously lete-lete aur apne videos ko continuously dekhte-dekhte mujhe yeh samajh mein aane lag gaya tha ki main kahan-kahan dar raha tha. Toh isliye hamesha jo next session hota tha woh behtar hota tha.
Kyunki hum kya dekhte the? Hum dekhte the humne pehle session mein kya galtiyan kari. Har ek session ke baad kya hota tha? Main us session ki video dekhta tha aur mera ek hi maqsad hota tha galtiyan nikaalna khud ki. Ki meri kahan-kahan galti hai, kahan-kahan main better kar sakta tha.
Toh woh poori list down hoti thi and then phir main sochta tha uske upar meditate karta tha ki main kaise meditate, meditate kaise karta tha. Main apne aap ko dekhta tha different behave karte hue same situation mein. suppose maine video dekha.
Ab video mere mind mein aa gaya na ki like this thing mein maine is tareeqe se behave kiya tha. so meditation ke dauran main wapas se woh lekar aata tha and I start putting myself in a different manner in my meditation. Toh next session mein mujhe help hoti thi.
Toh yeh tum life mein kisi ke bhi saath kabhi bhi, lekin tumhe pata hona chahiye kahan par tumne galti ki.
Tumhare andar courage honi chahiye us galti ko dekhne ki, maanne ki. okay na khud ko crucify karne ki that kind of thing. Toh hai na khud ko like batane ki bhai yeh galtiyan thi aur usko us tareeqe se nahi ek embarrassment ki tarah nahi, ek guilty ki tarah nahi, ek gusse ki tarah nahi.
as a feedback, as a data ki tarah. because we are humans. Hum galtiyan karte hain aur lekin hum galtiyon se learn karte hain. Hum galtiyon par chillaate nahi hain. Lekin humne kya agar hum galtiyon par sirf chillaate aaye toh hum galtiyan ab dekhna band kar di. Toh usse hamari growth kaise hogi? Hai na?
Toh galtiyon par chillaao mat aur galtiyon par dekho. Apni khud ki galtiyan dekho ki kahan par hum galtiyan kar rahe hain aur hum usko kaise improve kar sakte hain. Woh videos se hoga. Isliye bola video lena bahut zyada zaroori hai.
Aap dog se kaise interact karte ho khaaskar jo bhi professionally utar chuke hain like Aadarsh hai, Manya tum karte ho.
you, you do na professionally? you, you professionally start nahi kiya aapne?
Speaker 7
handle nahi karti main abhi dogs. Main sirf observe kar rahi.
Sunny
you can start. Tum walk sabke sab baaki ke sab log tum walk start kar sakte ho. like you have that thing. Tum walk start kar sakte ho. walking sab log kar sakte ho iske andar. Toh kisi bhi doosre dog ko aap walk par lekar ja sakte ho aur kabhi try karna apne padosi ka ya kuch bhi.
feel that ki doosre ek doosra dog ko lekar jaana kaisa feel hota hai. Kyunki aap toh apne dog ke saath toh hamesha jaate hi ho na. Jab tum doosre ke- usne mana kar diya toh?
Speaker 7
sorry.
Sunny
Toh ek hi thodi hai duniya mein. Mana kar diya toh.
Speaker 7
Maine apni society mein ek do logon se try kiya. Woh bola nahi-nahi baba hamara kutta toh jump karta hai. Maine kaha mujhe sirf paanch minute de do aapke saamne main walk kara ke aati hoon.
Toh yaar munh par hi mana kar diya.
Sunny
Ya koi baat, koi baat nahi. Yeh toh like wahi baat. Mere dost ki baat hogi bhai ladki ne mana kar diya toh. Maine kaha bhai akeli thodi hai. Teri practice toh ho jaayegi na. Usne mana kar diya toh usmein kya hua? Poochhne ki practice ho jaayegi. Baaki ki practice ho na ho toh poochhne ki practice ho jaayegi.
Toh poochhne ki practice. Lekin poochhte raho aur figure out karo. suppose- mujhe yeh- suppose karo.
Speaker 7
Mujhe yeh poochhna hai ki poochhna kaise hai?
Sunny
Haan, woh wahi toh saari baat hai na. Toh yahi batane wala tha main ki suppose poochha humne aur hamein safalta nahi mili toh hamein sabse pehle figure out yeh nahi karna ki bhai usne mana kar diya. Hamein figure out karna ki yaar main poochh kaise sakti thi. Hai na? Main usko convince kaise kar sakti thi?
Aur maine kaun-kaun si aisi cheezein boli jismein bolte waqt main andar se kamzor feel ho rahi thi. Kamzor feel matlab kamzor, kamzor ka matlab ek weak feel nahi hota.
Kamzor ka matlab yeh bhi hota hai ki like hamare andar ek kahin over confidence toh nahi aa raha. Ya hamare andar koi ek egoistic cheez toh nahi aa rahi. Ya phir hamare andar kuch yeh toh nahi aa raha ki saamne wala samajh nahi raha ya saamne wala samjhega nahi ya phir main kar nahi paa raha ya main kar nahi paaoonga.
Yeh multiple cheezein hamare andar aati hai jab hum kamzor feel, kamzor feel karte hain. Toh jab hum rewind karte hain na cheezon ko tab hum pinpoint kar sakte hain. Yaar us samay yeh bolte waqt mere ko andar kamzori mehsoos hui thi. Lekin kyun?
Toh uska matlab hai yeh kuch aur bolna tha ya phir kisi aur tareeqe se bolna tha. Then you will figure out ki kis tareeqe se bolna tha. Kyunki aapki life mein kya ho raha hai woh sabse zyada aap jaante ho. Main thodi jaanta hoon. Lekin ek process mil jaati hai humko ki figure out kaise karna hai. yes Aadarsh.
Vayu
Haan sir aur doosron ke kutte ke upar hum practically zyada matlab apply kar sakte hain.
Sunny
Yeah.
Vayu
Kyunki apne kutte ko dard hota hai karke we do it slowly.
Sunny
No, no, no, not, not, not dard ki wajah se. Hai na? Doosre kutte ko bhi dard nahi hona chahiye. Lekin dard ki wajah se real, haan real reason dard nahi hai. Real reason hamara emotional bond hai aur hamara patience hai. Hum apnon ke saath patience lose kar dete hain. Woh bhi ek part hai.
Doosron ke saath hum patience lose nahi karte. Hum apnon ke saath patience, kamaal ki vidambana hai. Hum apnon ke, apnon ke saath patience ko lose kar dete hain. Hum doosron ke saath nahi karte. Matlab hum doosron ko ho sakta hai kayi baar hum shaanti se lein.
Toh woh kya ek hamein na ek woh deta hai, ek spectrum deta hai, ek scale deta hai. Yaar yahan par hum aise aur yahan par hum aise kind of thing. Hai na? Hamein gap, hamein gap dikhta hai. Hai na? Aur us gap mein ek tareeqe se ek opportunity, ek growth hoti hai ki yaar this is possible.
Main apne dog ke saath jo bhi karta hoon, sirf wahi cheez nahi hai. Obviously, aap apne dog ke saath practice karoge toh aapko maine pehle bhi bola tha ghar ke dog ke saath zyada mehnat lagti hai. Hai na? Ghar ke cheezon ke saath zyada mehnat lagti hai.
Lekin agar aap yeh same cheez baahar ke doosre dog ke saath karoge, woh jaldi sun lenge aapki, jaldi maan jayenge. Kyunki woh emotional angle nahi hai wahan par. Hai na? Aur wahan par patience zyada hai. Wahan par observation zyada hai. Ghar ke dog ke saath, apne khud ke dog ke saath woh sab cheezein nahi hai.
So that is the big thing. Lekin compassion sabke liye rehna hona chahiye. Apni taraf se care sabke liye hai ki yaar yeh dog bhi mera hi hai. Emotional bondage nahi hai.
Jab bhi hum kisi aur dog ke saath jaate hain, kabhi bhi hum kisi bhi aur dog ke saath woh karte hain, hum andar se yahi sochkar aate hain this dog is mine. Okay? Toh jab hum yeh andar lekar aate hain na this dog is mine, hum usi confidence se uske human se baat karte hain aur woh human ko woh care phir feel hoti hai.
When you say this dog is mine inside with full this thing ki yaar this dog is mine, mere ko iske saath kaam karna hai, mujhe iske saath work karna hai aur mujhe iske humans ko help karni hai, iske humans ko help karni hai. Lekin but this dog is mine kind of thing.
Toh jab hum is mansha se jaate hain, is motive se jaate hain toh hum us, ab woh emotional bondage nahi. Kyunki emotional bondage hone mein time lagta hai, not mental thing. Emotional bond hone mein time lagta hai.
Aap mentally bol sakte ho kisi se bhi ki main tujhse pyaar karta hoon, lekin woh emotions nahi hai toh usse kya fark lena-dena padta hai? Over a period of time woh emotions aa jayenge. Jaise-jaise tum saath rehna start karoge.
Lekin kisi aur dog ke saath tum kaam karna start karte ho yeh samajh ke ki woh mera hi dog hai aur wahan par emotions nahi hote toh more authority se jaate ho. Hai na? More authority se jaate ho. Emotionally weak nahi hote us jagah par.
So more authority se jaate ho aur woh human phir yeh samajh paata hai ki yeh care karta hai dog ki.
Bhale tum human ko kuch bhi bol rahe honge, directly bol rahe honge. Lekin usko yeh samajh, agar woh apne dog se pyaar karta hoga na aur dog ki sochega na, usko yeh samjhega bhai kaise bhi bol raha hai, kuch bhi bol raha hai, lekin yeh mere dog ki care karta hai, yeh main feel kar sakta hoon. Okay?
Toh that's, that aur tumhara jo dog ke saath behavior hai, woh bhi different hota hai aur us dog ko bhi tumhare saath different feel hota hai, part feel hota hai tumhara. Because you are projecting, projecting that thing. Toh kisi dog, yeah Vayu.
Vayu
Sir ek example ismein add karna tha mujhe. Toh when we were going to keep Maxim brownie on the hostel, so Aju ke paas lekar gaye the. Toh Aju ne jab initially baat ki thi toh bahut aise straight to the point tha.
Thoda rude sound tha aur jab milne bhi gaye, call par bhi gaye, thoda late ho gaya toh seedhe suna diya ma'am maine aapko bola tha aapko late nahi aana hai, phir bhi aap late hai.
So he was like chalo abhi aa jao late aaye ho toh. Toh humko bahut rude laga. Lekin the way we saw ki uske woh rules kyun hai. Toh usne uske peeche baad mein jab hum use 10 din baad waapas lene aaye toh usne samjhaya yaar thoda better way mein ki yeh dogs hai. Dogs ko disturb nahi hona chahiye.
Unko subah 06:00 baje uthte hain, phir 10:00 baje se woh sote hain. Phir 10 ke baad aap dog lekar aaoge, poora, poora pack disturb ho jayega. So it is for your dog and other dogs as well.
Toh phir humko samajh mein aaya ki matlab he is thinking for the betterment of the dogs only aur hamare dogs bhi wahin par rehne waale hain. So they are in good hands. Phir humne uska jo bhi rudeness humko laga tha, usko humne dog perspective se understand kiya psychology se and that word then it was for the dogs only.
So then we understood ki he was right waisa.
Sunny
No, so again- Same perspective. Yeah this thing, but bahut se log nahi samajh pa rahe.
Matlab- Maxim toh nahi samajh rahe.
Vayu
Sab log aise bol rahe the ki woh rudely baat karta hai.
Sunny
Haan Maxim, ab Maxim nahi samajh pa rahe, lekin ab uske paas dog hai toh woh apne aap ko badal le raha. Hai na? Woh, woh yeh nazar nahi lekar ja raha yahan par ki woh kahan galti kar raha hai. Because jab hum sab kuch achha chal raha hota hai toh hum bhool jaate hain. Hai na?
Nazar daalna bhool jaate hain ki yaar ho sakta hai ki mujhse kuch galti hui kind of thing. So agar yeh hamari aadat nahi hai toh jab hamara kaam achhe chalne lagega toh hum rude ho jayenge.
Vayu
Hum.
Sunny
Hai na? Hum- We need to explain ki saamne waale ko kuch pata nahi hai.
Vayu
Humko zero se achhe se hi batana hai ki hum aise kyun kar rahe.
Sunny
Don't take clients for granted.
Vayu
Haan right.
Sunny
Simple si. Hai na? Bhale hi tumhare kitna bhi tumhara achha business chal raha ho, bhale hi tum kitna bhi oopar pahunche huye ho, clients ko granted mat lo. Hai na? Aur clients ko directly agar tum kuch bhi cheez batate ho toh kuch uska explanation do.
Kyunki woh dogs nahi hai. Hai na? Woh humans hai. Hai na? They need explanation. So agar hum explain, tu samajh raha hai khud se, tu figure out kar raha hai us cheez ko. Lekin as a professional hamara kaam hona chahiye explanation dena completely usko.
Completely compassion se use maana aur apne clients ko granted nahi lena. Okay, unke time ko, unke un sab cheezon ko woh karna.
Agar saamne waala suppose tumhari boarding hai, kisi ki bhi boarding hai aur tumhare time par nahi aaya to find some ways to explain it clearly aur beforehand clearly explain karo ki kyun nahi hai. Sirf yeh mat bolo ki time par aa jaana. Not that thing. Explain it ki why time par aa jaana kind of thing.
So uska suppose kar lo agar yeh boarding apni hoti hai toh kya hota hai? Hum aisa material ready karte hain, kind of PDF thing, kind of all thing taaki usko bolne ki zaroorat nahi pade.
Ya phir ek audio record karke rakhte hain ya ek video record karke jo bhi ek inquiry aati hai hum unko bhej dete hain ki this is the aap poori onboarding hai aap log aap aapki. Toh pehle se clear rehta hai insaan toh uske oopar rude ka thappa nahi. Mere oopar bhi rude ka thappa laga hua hai.
But I understood like this thing ki yaar main bahut saari cheezein by watching myself ki main kitni cheezein rude bol deta hoon ya kitni cheezein. Woh session se hi mere ko samajh mein aane laga ki yaar main toh bahut hi rude baat karta hoon. Hai na log mujhe bolte the Sunny tu bahut rude hai. Maine kaha kya rude hai?
Toh un logon se bol raha tha obviously yaar us samay shuruat ki baat thi aur main koi profession thodi kar raha tha. Main toh ekdam dog behavior ke usmein tha. Dog behavior sikhaane nikla tha and then logon ko seedha.
Maine kaha mere paas kahan ka time hai sunna hai toh sun lo aur jaana hai toh jao kind of thing is type ki type. So that was wrong aur woh galat tha aur woh humein nahi karna chahiye.
Humein bilkul humble rehna chahiye logon ke taraf kyunki agar woh hamari nahi sunenge toh ghaata kiska hoga dog ka. Toh apne ego ko apan ko side mein rakhne ka hai and maine baad mein seekha, baad mein learn kiya. Lekin client ko granted nahi lena.
Bhale hi tum uske paise le rahe ho ya nahi le rahe ho, bhale hi woh free hai ya kuch bhi hai kaisi bhi cheez hai agar tumhare paas onboard ho raha hai then service do apni. Okay, service do apni warna kya fayda?
So maine bhi late seekha aur main karna aur abhi bhi main dekhta hoon professionals ko is tareeqe se guzarte huye and then mere ko pata hai woh like kidhar jaati hai woh cheez aage chalkar. So that the thing matlab ek se rude, phir do se rude, phir das se rude. Phir pachaas log bolna start kar jaate hain.
Phir ek kuch bhi galti hoti hai. Suppose boarding mein kuch gadbad ho gayi then phir woh pachaas ke pachaas saamne aa jayenge and then phir woh downward cycle chaalu ho jayega.
Okay, so always agar hum is profession mein ja rahe hain so humein apne upar isliye bol raha hoon dog behavior ka kaam is like bahut deep hai. Hai na hum apne upar kaam karna apne upar kaam karna hota hai aur multiple jagah se kaam hai. Dog behavior toh seekhna hi hai.
Humein dog psychology toh seekhni hai plus dog ke upar humein kaam bhi karna, apna physical taakat bhi lagaani hai plus human ko bhi explain karna hai. Then usko phir after support bhi dena hai un sab cheezon ke liye.
So sirf behaviorist mein jitne bhi log yahan par dog behavior seekh rahe hain, sirf behaviorist ban ke nahi rehna. Hai na behaviorist ek tareeke se ek layer hai dog behavior ko seekhne ki. Agar aap professionally sab mein ja rahe ho toh uske upar bahut saari cheezein. Dog behaviorist banna is one of the thing.
Woh baaki sab cheezon ko support karti hai. For example, aapki boarding ke business ho sakte hain, grooming ke business ho sakte hain, home boarding ho sakti hai.
Home boarding chalaane ke liye koi license lene ki zaroorat nahi hai. Kuch karne ki zaroorat nahi hai. Kahin register karaane ki zaroorat nahi hai. Aap home boarding start kar sakte ho do dogs se, teen dogs se, chaar dogs se. You can start those cheezein. Home boarding start ho sakti hai. So lots of things you can do.
Sirf dog behavior nahi. So sirf dog behaviorist ka woh nahi sochna lekin start yahan se karna hai. Okay, lekin aage mein different-different cheezon mein aap khul sakte ho, open kar sakte ho. So I think that's it.
Abhi ke liye main aapko working memory, associative memory and procedural memory ke baare mein toh humne pehle baat kar chuka hoon. Abhi aur aage ki explain kar deta hoon. Chhota sa simple sa aage kyunki main cheez yahi hai working, associative and this procedural memory.
The working memory jo present mein chal raha hai simple tareeke se. Associative memory jiski habit create ho rahi hai.
Procedural memory jiski habit ban chuki hai. In sab cheezon mein different skills lagti hai dog ko over ek nayi woh daalne ke liye. For example, agar aap working usmein ja rahe ho dog abhi kuch seekh raha hai. Suppose karo uska kahin accident hua. Hai na? Badi-badi cheez hai accident hua lekin turant hua.
So aapke paas turant abhi cheez hai jo aap usko badal sakte ho. Yeh sabse early cheez early badal sakti hai. Lekin agar aapka uska accident hua aur aapne wahan par mistake kar li toh yeh deep jaayega. Okay, main aapko extreme example kyun de raha hoon? For example, accident hua.
Aap chillaaye, dog ko uthaaye, saamne waale par chillaaya aur bhaag kar lekar gaye. Dog ke andar trauma aayega. Woh trauma se nahi bach sakta. Deep trauma aayega. Woh har ek vehicle se jo bhi us tareeke ki aawaaz karti hai pee, pee, paa, poo jo bhi us samay ho raha tha, woh us sab se darne lag jaayega.
Getting my point? Agar is tarah yeh main extreme example kyun le raha hoon? Yahan par emotions involved hai. Emotions har ek experience ko deep lekar jaate hain. Deep lekar jaata hai. So working memory deep jaayegi. Working memory deep gayi matlab kya? Procedural there is no association ki zaroorat.
Phir abhi turant hua aur turant aapne yeh sab cheezein utha li. Ab dog ne turant sab kuch associations create kar li. Usko repetition ki zaroorat nahi hai kyunki emotions ka force bahut zyaada tha. Emotions ka force jab zyaada hota hai toh repetitions kam lagte hain.
Emotion ka force kam hota hai toh repetition zyaada lagte hain. Getting my inverse proportional hota hai. Agar, agar iska force zyaada hai, emotions ka force zyaada hai toh aapko repeat karne ke ka woh kam hai.
Aapko zyaada repeat karne ki zaroorat nahi hogi. Hai na? Isliye agar chot lagi, koi trauma aaya toh repetition kitne chahiye? Zero. Kyunki woh extreme hai. Kisi se accident hua. Repetition kitne chahiye? Zero. Andar jaane ke liye. Toh ab wahan par hum kis tareeke se behave karenge?
Uski yeh memory create nahi hogi trauma waali. Kaun bataayega mujhko? Koi bataayega humein kaise behave karna chahiye agar dog ka accident ho gaya toh. Hamaare dog ko, dog ko physically chot lagi hai. Matlab aise khoon nahi nikal raha. Woh ekdam takraaya hai obviously walk par ja raha tha toh aisa nahi hoga.
Woh takraaya hai ekdam cheekh. How will you behave? Yes, Manya first you.
Speaker 5
Toh humein usko handle karna hai. Matlab agar leash par hoga toh usko matlab khud shaant hona hai phir usko shaant karna hai.
Matlab aise moment par like pet parent gussa aa sakta hai ya phir fear aa sakta hai. Agar dog ko chot lage toh zyaada woh emotions aa sakte hain baahar. Toh pehle khud calm hona hai. Phir usko shaanti se calm karna hai. Matlab haath se usko shaanti se rakhna hai ki shaant ho ja, it's okay, it's fine.
Phir, phir jaakar agar usko saamne waale ko kuch bolna hai, woh bhi ek manner mein bolna hai ki chilla ke nahi bolna hai. Like apna point rakhna hai toh ek manner mein rakhna hai.
Sunny
Haan, chilla sakte ho.
Speaker 5
Haan, chilla sakte hain but pehle dog ko shaant karna hai, usko comfort dena hai, phir jaakar uske saath ladna hai.
Sunny
Haan, chilla sakte ho, kuch bhi kar sakte ho lekin dog ko lekar nahi. Yes, Vayu.
Vayu
Haan yes sir, I was going to say the same thing. Dekho abhi mere saath bhi hua hai jaise bike waala rash driving kar raha hai toh Max toh bahut aise dekh ke peeche se bend ho jaata hai wagairah-wagairah.
Lagi nahi thi, almost lagne waali thi. Toh first of all jaise woh hua sabse pehle dog ek alag state mein chala gaya panic waale surprise jo bhi hai. Aur phir human ne woh dekha ki isne rash driving ki, main bhi gusse mein aa gaya.
Mera dog se, dog par dhyaan jaata hai ki what he went through aur woh dekh ke mera immediate dhyaan se rakhta hai bike waale pe.
Sunny
Haan.
Vayu
Moonh maar le aati hai. Toh then abhi jaise Manya ne bola toh first of all woh toh ek common man koi bhi waise hi karega. Dog toh gaya side mein. Woh aadmi se hi bhaandega, "Tu ruk saale, tu aise kaise kiya?" Udhar dog aur panic hote ja raha hai. Yeh waale scene ko dekh ke aur owner ki energy dekh ke.
Toh jaise usne Manya ne kaha ki humko woh nahi karte hue dog ko side mein lena hai. Pehle dog ko poora shaant karna hai. Humein bhi emotion wise shaant hona hai. Abhi dekho woh bhaagne waala hai Zomato waala hai toh woh aise bhi bhaag hi jaayega.
Toh door se chilla ke again dog ko usi panic mode mein daal rahe hain hum log. Toh uske liye yeh poora episode ban jaayega. Haan, episode ban jaayega aur yeh trauma ban jaayega. We can call it as trauma also toh.
Phir jab bhi woh us spot par jaayega waise hi Zomato ki gaadi dega, waise hi log dekhega toh us episode ko yaad karke woh darne lag jaayega. Toh phir yeh hai ki humko khud pe control laana hai. Dog ko wahan se waapas continue karaana hai.
Ek calm state mein laakar jo walk apne ko yeh nahi karna hai abort karke ghar par nahi bhaag jaana hai. Agar usko khoon-voon nahi aa raha hai toh lekin we can continue. Agar khoon aa bhi raha hai phir bhi ghar par calm way mein rush nahi karna hai. Yaar khoon aa gaya, khoon aa gaya chalo bhaago.
Toh ek calm way mein jaakar hum log baaki ka treatment kar sakte hain. Then take him to the vet etc. Lekin it's all about memory aur ekdam high nahi karna hai jo bhi apni emotions hai usko. Phir woh dog ke liye trauma ban jaayega. Hum toh usmein se baahar aa jaayenge next day, next hour.
Lekin dog nahi aa paayega toh baar-baar usko waise hi trigger hota rahega lifetime. Can we one question aur ek tasar? So it is entirely an episode. Toh can we say ki ye jo episodic memory banegi woh procedural memory mein convert ho jaayegi?
Sunny
Nahi, episodic memory abhi alag, episodic memory alag hai. Main uske baare mein bataunga. Hai na episodic memory kya aati hai. Aur woh abhi controversial hai. Matlab - Okay. Hum unse jaakar pooch nahi sakte na ki bhai tu ne, tu past ka soch raha hai kya?
Toh usko past ka sochne ke liye usko self-awareness hona zaroori hai aur self-awareness ka abhi nahi hai. Matlab it's like maine jitne bhi dog, scientists jo log is par kaam kar rahe hain. Unke aur bachhiyaan and then woh checking unka brain check kar rahe hain.
Usme se ek ko maine mail kiya tha aur unse clearly sawaal poocha tha ki dog self-aware, dog ko pata hai ki woh khud hi apne woh mirror mein khud ko dekh raha hai.
Vayu
Okay.
Sunny
That was my question. Toh unhone kaha ki uske liye self-awareness chahiye. Dog self-aware nahi hai.
Vayu
Haan, mujhe bhi waise hi laga tha woh mirror waala scene.
Sunny
So, so, toh yeah. So generally humein jaise kabhi bhi aise takkar lag jaaye, kabhi bhi aise kuch ho jaaye na toh again humein us dog ko shaant karana hai. Khud ko shaant hokar. Hum usko utha bhi sakte hain that is koi issue nahi. Usko, hum usko utha bhi sakte hain.
Lekin jab hum usko uthayenge hamare andar se woh ye waali cheez nahi aani chahiye. Samjha? Getting point? Meri body kaisi hogi? Ye waali. Hai na? Woh, woh feeling nahi aani chahiye ki there is something to it. Hum uthayenge kaise usko? Is tareeqe se aur aise haath rakhenge.
Like a confident us tareeqe se ki agar tere ko tag-tag, tu bahut zyada hil raha hai, hil raha hai toh humne usko aise kiya aur aise kar liya. Pack kaise karta hai? Dog agar bahut zyada panic hota hai toh bhaag ke jaata hai aur uske upar baith jaata hai.
Aur phir aise karte rehte hain. Chup ho ja, chup ho ja, chup ho ja kind of thing woh karte hain. Humein woh karne ki zaroorat nahi hai. Chup ho ja, chup ho ja, chup ho ja. Hum aise kar sakte hain. Lekin energy matter karti hai. Energy matter karti hai.
Same cheez galat energy se, aise waali energy se galat impact karegi. Same cheez aisi waali energy se different impact karegi. So woh dog ko calm down kar degi. Agar humne usko aise utha bhi liya toh woh calm down kar degi.
Humne usko shaant karke side mein baitha diya aur ek haath ko shaant rakha hua hai lekin doosre haath se main is tareeqe se baat kar sakta hoon. Lekin ek haath, lekin agar ye bhi aisa aur ye bhi aisa hai toh maamla gadbad, maamla gadbad ho gaya. So hum dog ke saath aise kar sakte hain jo generally mana kiya jaata hai.
Like ki uthao mat ya phir haath mat lagao aisa kuch bhi nahi hai. Tum dog ko utha sakte ho. Tum dog ko haath bhi laga sakte ho. Lekin woh tum kya project kar rahe ho woh sabse zyada matter karta hai in sab cheezon mein.
Confidence hai kya? Kyunki agar, agar dog darta hai toh pack toh haath lagaata hai. Toh humein, humein dog se zyada pata hai kya? Pack toh jaakar usko ek jagah baitha deta hai. Paas mein jaakar baith jaata hai. Usko gher lete hain. Toh woh kya hai phir? Hai na?
Aur bahut saare, bahut se puppy jaakar lick bhi karne lag jaate hain lekin woh kaat-te hain. Woh bite hota hai. Woh hamare saath bhi ho sakta hai. Hum jaayenge aur pyaar se woh karenge toh hum, humein bhi bite ho sakta hai. Humein bhi bite ho sakta hai. Bite kisko nahi hota?
Jo confidence se jaata hai, jo calmly jaata hai aur poora usko paas mein jaakar baith-ta hai aur upar bhi chadh jaata hai toh bhi bite nahi aata. Because woh calmly aur confidence ke saath jaa raha, usko rok raha hai.
So energy bahut zyada matter karti hai dog ke saath, animals ke saath ki aap kis energy se match kar rahe ho. Okay. Kya questions hai? Yes, Tavisha ji.
Speaker 5
Sammy ek dog umm tha matlab jo Thane station se miss hua aur Karjat mein gaya. Matlab kisi ko dekha. Aur matlab wahan logon ne dekha aur matlab wahan se woh waapas aaya. Mera point ye hai ki wahan se woh waapas aaya.
Sunny
Kahan se?
Speaker 5
Thane, Thane.
Sunny
Haan.
Speaker 5
Thane station hai Mumbai mein.
Sunny
Thane station, okay, haan.
Speaker 5
Haan. Toh wahan se woh Karjat tak pahuncha.
Sunny
Haan.
Speaker 5
Aur wahan se waapas aaya, waapas apne ghar Thane.
Speaker 7
Toh yeh jo matlab main isko memory se link kar rahi hoon. Toh procedure memory kaise woh toh nahi hogi.
Sunny
Nahi aage, aage aata hai spatial memory hai na. Woh space ka dhyaan rakhta hai. Uski places ka dhyaan rakhta hai.
Isliye dog door bhi chale jaate hain. Kahin aur bhi chale jaate hain toh woh dhoondh-dhoondh ke waapas aa jaate hain. Unke paas ek woh rehti hai, ek trail rehti hai. Matlab jaise- semantic memory aap bol rahe hain kya woh toh maps ke related hai. Nahi woh semantic memory toh iske baad hai. Hai na.
Unka ek mental map hota hai. Location ki anchoring hoti hai. Kahan location hai. Location tracking hoti hai usme spatial memory mein. Iske matlab semantic ke baad waali memory hai. Abhi bataata hoon main uske baare mein. Lekin kya hota hai dog ko aise trail dikhta hai. Hai na suppose aise usko ek trail dikh raha hai.
Hai na this kind of uska kya ki ghar toh usko aap usko trail dikhne lag gaya ki yeh trail kahan par hai toh us trail ka peecha karta rahega, karta rahega. Ab ho sakta hai woh trail usse miss bhi ho jaaye. Kisi aur trail mein chala jaaye.
Woh trail kahin aur hi chalegi toh woh phir waapas back wahin aayega jahan se start kiya tha zero par and then phir start karega.
Toh dog kahin aur jaata hai phir waapas. Ab mujhe yaar iske baad samajh nahi aata. Waapas koi trail nahi dikh rahi lekin mujhe waapsi ki trail dikh rahi hai toh phir woh waapsi ki trail par jaata hai. getting a point aur phir wahan se nayi-nayi trail waapas try karega ki woh apne ghar ki taraf badh jaaye.
Usko dikhti rahe, dikhti rahe. Woh jab tak chalta rahega, jab tak jaata rahega, jab tak usko trail dikh rahi hai. Phir ek time ki, ek time ke baad aisa hoga ki uski saari trail ojhal ho jaayegi. Kuch bhi nahi bachega uske paas. Phir woh wahan se woh nayi zindagi chaalu karega. Nayi zindagi chaalu karega.
Lekin jaise usko trail dikh rahi thi Hachi ko. Usko trail dikh rahi thi jab tak woh tha. Hachi ek movie thi. Hai na.
Speaker 7
Maine woh dekhi nahi. Woh kaafi sad type si lag rahi thi toh.
Sunny
Maine bhi nahi dekhi because of that. Bahut sad type lag rahi thi. Mere ko laga tha arre yaar isko lekar jaao na, yeh kar lega isko thoda bicycle kara de do na.
Speaker 7
Bahut slow bhi lag rahi thi. Matlab itni slow mein matlab main bahut bore ho jaati.
Sunny
Slow se zyada sad thi. Anime dekho phir aap agar slow se bore ho jaate ho. Mere saath bhi yahi hai. Slow se bore ho jaata hoon. Mere ko anime, anime dekho. Anime bhi mere ko match karta hai mere mental frequency ko.
Speaker 7
Mera question yahi tha ki aap jo, aap jo bata rahe the toh yeh sabhi dogs ka strong nahi hota. Matlab aap agar dekhenge ki yeh bahut rare case hai. Matlab maine pehli baar shaayad suna ki woh itni door se wahan tak pahunch gaya.
Sunny
Haan, sab dog ka strong nahi hota. Sab, sab dog ka alag-alag memory cover rehta hai. Sab dog ka jaise insaanon ka rehta hai. Koi memory segment achha, koi memory segment kharaab. Waise hi dog ke saath hota hai. Koi memory segment powerful hota hai, koi memory segment itni powerful nahi hoti.
Sab dog ka alag-alag, alag-alag skill set hota hai unka.
Jaise dekho tracking wale dog hai. Agar uske andar tracking ke genes hai toh fayda hai usko. Agar us indie ke andar tracking ke genes hai, ek hound ke genes hai toh, toh, toh dhoondh lega woh toh. Kuch bhi dhoondh lega woh toh. Woh toh mahine bhar ki puraani smell soongh lete hain hounds toh.
Matlab unki smell itni tagdi hoti hai. Zameen se khod ke nikaal dete hain cheezon ko. Hai na jo sniffing ke dogs hote hain toh un par depend karta hai aur saamne wale ki taakat kitni hai, uske andar genes kaun se hai. Jo tracking wala hai toh bhai woh toh, woh toh gajab hai phir.
Woh toh gajab hi, unki toh gajab hi taakat, hum samajh hi nahi sakte. Bahut tagde hote hain woh toh. Kab ke kab kahan par kahan pahunch jaate hain. it's like beautiful thing hai. Door-door chhod aate ho aur phir bhi aa sakte ho ghar par. Matlab woh soch bhi nahi sakta insaan ki kaise, kaise possible hai.
Matlab kaise possible hai this thing. Unko trail dikhti hai.
Woh trail dikhti hai ghar ki. Matlab unke liye bahut easy hai. Hamaare liye sochna bahut easy hai. Unko ise safed line, safed line ki tarah samajh sakte ho. Ek safed line dikh rahi hai unko dhundhli si. Jo over a period time dhundhli hoti ja rahi hai. Toh unke liye time bahut zyada matter karta hai.
Jaise-jaise time nikalta jaayega woh dhundhli-dhundhli dhundhli-dhundhli khatam, khatam ho jaayegi. Lekin unko aise trail dikhti rehti hai different-different.
Speaker 7
ok aur mera ek aur question tha. Yeh video se related hai. Matlab woh kisi friendly dog se mil leta hai na toh uska peecha hi nahi chhodta.
Sunny
Haan.
Speaker 7
Uske peeche-peeche hi chala jaata hai. Woh wahan ruk jaata hai. Matlab woh walk karega hi nahi literally woh zameen par so jaayega. Matlab logon ko lagega yaar kitna isko khaali- play session usko apne, apni species ke saath play session chahiye.
Haan, lekin matlab play session mein abhi aap dekhenge toh hum daily basis par baahar jaate hain. community dog ke saath yeh khelta hai. Ek-aadh jo inke saath khelte hain unko zoomies aa jaate hain. Main kuch karti nahi hoon. Main side mein ruk jaati hoon.
Lekin phir jaise hum society mein andar aate hain, isko koi aur mil gaya pehchaan wala matlab dog jo friendly hai, bada hai, bada chhota rehne dijiye. Lekin yeh wahin khada rehta hai. Matlab abhi mujhe khelna hi hai. Saamne wale jo unke parents hain kabhi- kaise pata ki usko khelna hai?
Sunny
Woh kuch aisi cheezein karta hai khelne ki ki bas khada ho jaata hai toh aapko lagta hai ki khelna hai.
Speaker 7
Nahi khelne ka in the sense jaise smell karke woh matlab main apna human observation bata rahi hoon ki woh aise, aise nahi thoda aise side se aise ho jaate hain.
Phir woh dog idhar ho jaayega. Phir aise- khel, khel, khel. round circle lagaayenge toh like- jhuk gaye hain.
Sunny
Jhuk gaye hain.
Speaker 7
Haan.
Sunny
Haan khelne ka hai usko. Khelne ka hai usko.
Speaker 7
Kabhi-kabhi saamne wale pet parents ready nahi hote ya kaafi baar toh chidh bhi jaate hain. Matlab unki shakl se woh dikh jaata hai toh- toh pehle poochenge apan ki dog mil sakte hain kya?
Sunny
Aise dog mil sakte hain- milte khud hain woh.
Speaker 7
Lekin yeh jaise abhi do-teen minute ke baad chhodta nahi hai toh woh aise chidh jaate hain aur bolte hain chalo-chalo chalo aur matlab kaafi saare aise kuch na kuch- chhodta nahi matlab? Main kya karoonga woh kuch.
Sunny
Chhodta nahi matlab?
Speaker 7
Matlab unke peeche-peeche jaayega. Agar unko baahar break ke liye woh ja rahe hain, kahin ghoomne ja rahe hain, car mein woh kutta chadh raha hai toh yeh bhi peeche chadh jaayega.
Sunny
Nahi-nahi apan ko kyon chadhana hai ab. Kya leash se hota hai, bina leash ke hota hai?
Speaker 7
Nahi leash se hi hota hai. Matlab main aapko bata rahi hoon wahan tak kheench ke jaayega. Achha main usko ruka loon na toh yeh wahan jahan isko ruka hai toh wahan baith ke yeh kun-kun karega.
Sunny
So woh coo coo isliye karega kyonki woh already aage ja chuka hai. Uske matlab it's like woh, matlab woh ek intensity se aage ja raha tha aur aapne tab usko mana kar diya. Hamein shuruat mein, shuruat mein hi mana karna hota hai toh uski coo coo nahi aayegi us samay par.
Matlab aapko samajh mein aa raha hai ki ab bhi jaane ki koshish karega. Lekin agar aapne wahan correct nahi kiya, woh ja chuka hai aur aap usko phir rok rahe ho toh phir woh coo coo karega. Toh iska, aise jaise aap milwa rahe ho aur woh ja rahe hain na toh apni leash ko sideways nikaala.
Matlab usko sideways, usko sideways kiya and then aap apni direction mein badh gaye. Woh unki direction mein badh gaya. Toh now- woh badhta nahi, woh turn hokar wahin baith jaata hai.
Kyonki woh ab aadat ho gayi na. Uski aadat ho gayi na ki ab turn karke yahin baithunga toh yeh rukenge aur mujhe uske paas lekar jaayenge. Hai na? Hum uske paas lekar nahi jaayenge.
Agar hum uske paas lekar ja rahe hain toh dog yahi seekh raha hai ki main baithta hoon, human phir mujhe uske paas lekar jaate hain aur phir woh dopamine release hota hai, maza aata hai.
Speaker 7
Main lekar nahi jaati. Main khadi ho jaati hoon aur doosre side se use kheenchti hoon. Lekin woh matlab bolte hain na apne sab brake laga leta hai phir so jaata hai. Wahin par so jaata hai. Woh logon ko lagta hai yaar matlab isko chalne ka man nahi hai aur main jaanboojhkar ise chala rahi hoon.
Matlab kaafi saare log toh mujhe aakar lecture bhi dekar gaye hain.
Sunny
Toh jaise woh neeche let, neeche let jaaye toh hamein usko kheenchne ki zaroorat nahi hai. Hum ek haath se uske collar ko pakad sakte hain aur ek haath se usko waapas, chhota, chhota dog hai na woh.
Hai na? Usko aur ek haath se usko waapas khada kar sakte hain and then phir aise peeche tap, tap, tap, tap, tap karke usko aise aage lekar ja sakte hain. Chalo, chalo, chalo, chalo, chalo, chalo aise karke. Then woh aage chal, aage chal padega.
Lekin hum completely agar usko ek mechanical usmein rakhenge ki bhai woh let gaya aur hum usko kheenchenge nahi. Dog ko dekhna hai, dog ko seedha kiya. Woh kya playful hai. Dog ko seedha kiya aur peeche jaise hi uthaaya humne peeche kiya chalo, chalo, chalo, chalo, chalo.
Kuch bhi aise kiya ek bachhe ki tarah chalo, chalo, chalo woh chal dega. Ki let's go, let's go, let's go. Usko karna toh play hi tha. Usse dopamine nahi toh idhar se dopamine mil gaya.
Lekin idhar se agar hum, idhar se agar lekin hum woh strictness denge usko aisa karenge toh phir woh kahega bhai wahi achha tha dopamine mera, woh chala gaya mera.
Speaker 7
Isi, isi mein hi aapne jo bola main waise karti hoon. Woh chal chal se nahi chalta. Phir main kisi aur dog, dog ka naam leti hoon toh yeh chalne lag jaata hai.
Use bolti hoon woh wahan khada hai. Woh chalo chalo wahan jaate hain toh yeh chalne lag jaata hai. Woh chalne kya daudne lag jaata hai woh.
Sunny
Haan, bas theek hai na. Like good, good thing. Aap usko utha ke bhi kar sakte ho same cheez. Agar woh neeche leta hua hai na toh jaise suppose karo dog neeche let gaya tab usko high degree ka reward lagega oopar uthne ke liye. Agar bada dog hai toh hum leash ke through guide karte hain. Usko phir hum aise nahi uthaate.
Hum leash ke through, lekin agar chhota dog hai toh woh aur easily ek collar se pakda aur ek usko utha diya. Aise kar diya. Agar khud ka dog hai toh. Agar aapka khud ka dog nahi hai toh usko aise mat uthao. Usko leash se guide karo. Hai na leash se guide kar, leash se guide karna.
Jaise for example agar woh let gaya hai toh hum saamne se nahi kheenchte. Hum peeche jaate hain taaki uska munh aise ho sake. Agar woh aise leta hua hai aur aap saamne se kheench rahe ho toh woh uthega nahi. Woh aur let jaayega ki leto, kheench lo. Hai na? Woh aur let jaayega.
Lekin agar wo aise leta hua hai aur aap idhar ja rahe ho toh uska muh kaise aayega? Aise aayega. Muh aise aayega. Toh hume 45 degree mein uske muh ko lekar aana hota hai aur apne ko aisa angle banana hota hai ki 45 degree ka bana rahe aur hum kheenchte rehte hain.
Toh uske muh kheenchta rehta hai, kheenchta rehta hai, wo khada ho jata hai aur phir hum usko lekar chale jaate hain. Lekin aap multiple cheez multiple tareeqe se kar sakte ho. Jaise isme time lagega. Ab baaki log bhi aakar bol sakte hain bhai ye kya kar rahe ho? Isme time lagega. Toh hum kya kar sakte hain?
Hum jayenge uska collar pakdenge, usko seedha karenge aur peeche tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap karenge aur wo chal dega. Toh like uske pairon ko agar peeche se aise aise karoge chal, chal, chal, chal, chal wo chal dega, wo chal dega. Toh aise karna hota hai tak, tak, tak, tak, tak, tak wo chalna start ho jata hai.
Dog ke jaise dog bhi bhaagte, chalte aise. Toh hum ek moment, momentum create kar dete hain chalne ka uske andar. Toh wo chalne lag jata hai. Multiple tareeqe se aap dog ko chala sakte ho aise letne wale par.
So it is like easy matlab kaafi wo hai aur yeh bahut aam problem hai. So agar aap yeh skill seekh jaate ho apne dog ke saath then aapko life mein cases mein help karegi kyunki aam problem hai. Yeh baaki jagah bhi aati hai. Logon ko seekhna zaroori hai ki ek dog agar let gaya hai usko uthana kaise hai.
Toh usko uthana kaise hai? Ek skill hai. Kyunki ek behaviorist ko seekhni chahiye. Baaki saare dog parents ko seekhni chahiye. Agar behaviorist ja raha hai toh wo dog parent ko sikha kar aaye. Agar dog unka is tareeqe se behave karta hai toh.
Speaker 7
Achha same way mein hamare apartment mein ek do dogs first floor par rehte hain aur jaise Black German Shepherd aise bade dogs hain toh wo mostly balcony mein rehte hain aur matlab wo jab hum walk karte hain toh ye bhaunkte, wo bhaunkte hain aur matlab hum log apna walk karte rehte hain.
Lekin ek point par yeh neeche baith kar unko dekhta rehta hai. Dono shaant ho jaate hain. Bas ek doosre ko dekhte hi rehte hain.
Sunny
Haan.
Speaker 7
Matlab ekdum pyaar wala, dosti wala, wo dekhte rehte hain. Aur kisi din wo nahi dekha bhaunkte hue toh yeh unko bhaunk kar bulata hai.
Sunny
Haan.
Speaker 7
Toh usme mujhe kuch karna hai.
Sunny
Nahi, usme kuch bhi nahi karna. Bas dog aapka yahi bol raha hai usko same species ke saath thoda time spend karna hai.
Speaker 7
OK.
Sunny
Hai na? Same, same species ke saath usko time spend karna hai. Wo like unko waise species ka nahi pata hota ki hum same hain ki nahi. Bas wo, bas yeh bata raha hai ki yeh jo beings hain iske saath mere ko rehna hai. Hai na?
Hum samajhne ke liye wo karte hain ki same species bol raha hai ya phir different species bol raha hai.
Lekin dog yeh bol raha hai ki usko unke saath rehna hai, unke saath time spend karna hai, unke saath baatein karni hai, kind of behave karna hai ki actual mein kya hai, kis tareeqe se hota hai aur yeh dog ko chahiye hota hai. Hai na? Yeh dog ko chahiye hota hai.
Toh isliye socializing bahut zyada zaroori hoti hai unke, unki aur, aur India mein socializing- kitna matlab, kitna socialization matlab daily basis par hum log dekhenge. Thoda khul ke, khul ke ghoom sake. Not just walk par mile and all this thing. Hai na?
Jaise human side mein baitha hua hai aur dog apna khul ke mil paaye ek doosre se. Wo socializing session hota hai dog ka. Agar unko side mein baithna hai toh wo baith sake lekin human ka interference nahi hai wahan par. Hai na toh is tarah se. So ek human manage kar raha hota hai.
Group of humans manage kar rahe hote hain lekin wo team ki tarah manage kar rahe hote hain aur wo interfere tabhi karte hain jab baat aggression ki tarah ja rahi hoti hai, snapping ki tarah ja rahi hoti hai.
Otherwise wo, wo, wo nahi karte like interfere nahi karte. Toh wahan par dog khul ke mil paate hain aur unka behavior bahut deeply change ho paata hai. Aise socializing sessions hain jab human, human usko structure karke control karke organize karata hai lekin intervene karne ke liye nahi.
Abhi generally aap jo market mein socializing sessions dekhoge jaise swimming pool ki party hogi wahan damaging hai dog ke perspective se. Ya phir humne koi chhote se park mein bula liya aur dog ko bula diya aur then wahan par music chala hua hai and sab aur humans ko koi guideline nahi hai aur humans hain oopar.
Hey, hey baby. That is very damaging for, for dogs. Hai na long term.
Speaker 7
Logon ke tochke hain.
Sunny
Kya?
Speaker 7
Matlab logon ke tochke hi lagte hain mujhe apni entertainment ke liye.
Sunny
Wo toh, toh pata nahi hai. Nahi, nahi wo society mein pata nahi hai kisi ko bhi.
Matlab society mein isi ko norm maante hain. Toh agar society mein us cheez ko norm maante hain toh phir hum kaise bolein ki wo unko galat lag raha hai. Matlab society ke norms hai na saare ke saare ki norms ban gaye na. Dog ki birthday party norm ban chuka hai. Matlab ki normal ho chuka hai yeh cheez.
Toh society mein hai yeh toh har ek insaan aisa by default behave karega. Uski galti nahi hai. Society mein rehne ke baad by default aap yeh behave karoge. Isme aapki galti nahi hai. Wo society ke norms hain. Society ka mind hai. Toh society ka mind dog ke saath kaise behave karta hai waise log.
Ab wo mind ko hamesha extra dopamine lagta hai. Humne kya padha hua hai. Toh jo normal tha woh ab normal maza nahi aayega. Ab humein kuch aur chahiye. Toh phir society mein ek naya circle banta hai nor, jo normal hota hai. Hai na aise generation by generation nayi cheez normalize ho jaati hai.
Toh ab naya normal kya hai? Dog ki shaadi karana.
Wo dekhoge aap. Yeh normal hota ja raha hai. Dog ki shaadi karana. Hai na dog ki shaadi karana, dog ke phir bachhe karana and then phir uski godhbharai karana kind of thing. Yeh normal ho jayega. I am telling you maine bahut saal pehle ek cheez boli thi ki normal hone wala hai jo kisi ne mujhe vishwas nahi kiya tha.
It was like 2017-18 maine bola tha buildings aisi banne lagengi jo dogs ko wo karengi ki dog parents ko wo karenge and wo trend ab start ho raha hai.
Dog parents ko attract kiya ja raha hai ki hamare building mein dog ke liye yeh hai, dog ke liye wo hai, falaana hai toh ab wo normal hota jayega because dogs ki jansankhya badh rahi hai. Ab godhbharai aur yeh sab kyun badhega batao. Kyun badhega? Kyunki humans bachhe kar nahi rahe.
Wo dogs ko rakh rahe hain lekin unki wo ichhaayein toh hai society wali godhbharai ki.
Wo kya karenge uski? Toh wo dog ke saath poora karenge. Usme unki galti thodi hai. Wo society ka norm ban gaya toh abhi kya karein? Toh society ke andar rahoge toh ye society ke rules hain, hai na society ke rules hain aur log generally wahi follow karenge. It is. Toh unke liye wo nahi hai kind of problem.
Unke liye galat nahi hai wo cheez. Ya unke liye tochka nahi hai wo. Unke liye wo normal hai. Unke liye normal hai. Okay. Toh aisi bahut saari cheezein hum bhi karte hain jo bahut se logon ke liye normal nahi hogi.
Apne-apne dimension mein hum sab aisi aisi cheezein kar rahe hote hain jo, jo cheezein doosron ke liye normal nahi. Arre yaar yeh kya hai? Yeh toh mujhe tochka lag raha hai. Lekin asliyat mein wo aapke liye tochka nahi hoga. Lekin kisi aur ke liye ho sakta hai.
Usi tareeqe se jo wo kar rahe hain wo hamare liye tochka hai, lekin unke liye nahi hai.
Kyunki woh normal, normal ban gaya hai. Normal ban gaya hai. Toh agar aisa mindset rakhoge toh kya gussa nahi aayega. Emotional nahi honge zyada. So that's, so ek aur cheez hai Tavisha ji aapko yeh sochna band karna hai ki log chidh rahe hain ki aapse khush hain. Hai na.
Yeh sochna band karna hai ki log aapse chidh rahe hain ya phir khush hain. So yeh continuous aapke mind mein chalta rehta hai. Woh, woh trouble dega. Hai na woh trouble dega.
Speaker 7
Nahi matlab abhi jaise hum log running bhi karte hain toh hum log break lete hain beech mein na. Matlab ek kilometer ho gaya toh hum log aise two five minutes ki break lete hain. Toh kaafi baar toh society ke baahar hota hai.
Kabhi andar phir aa jaate hain ki time ke hisaab se thoda baaki ghar ki cheezein dekhni hai toh, toh wahan matlab har ek jagah par, har ek kone mein savere-savere aapko senior citizen ya phir aapke jaise koi runner mil jayenge toh woh sab matlab jaate-jaate tippani lete jaate hain.
Matlab ek din theek hai, do din theek hai. Matlab.
Sunny
Saal bhar, saal bhar de sakte hain. Toh hum bhi tip matlab aisa agar hum pareshan nahi ho toh hamare andar bhi ability, ability aa jayegi tippani dene ki. Matlab unki tippani ko shant karane ki.
Agar saamne wala koi tippani de raha hai, kuch bhi cheez de raha hai aur agar hum usse pareshan ho rahe hain toh tippaniyan increase hogi kam nahi.
Speaker 7
Haan, nahi main matlab aajkal main khud ko yahi samjhati hoon ki this is a matlab bhagwan sikha raha hai kuch, kuch sikha raha hai and I have to learn it aaram se. Ekdam thandi ho jaati hoon main phir.
Sunny
Woh, woh tippani nahi hai. Woh unki opinion hai. Okay, agar usko tippani ki tarah dekhoge toh andar frustration aa sakta hai aur usko agar aap opinion ki tarah dekhoge toh bologe arey woh toh apni opinion share kar raha hai.
Main loon, nahi loon mere upar hai. Tippani is like kind of tippani ka meaning kya tha? Kuch mere liye bola, kuch mere ko bataya, kuch mujhe judge kiya. Tippani ka matlab yeh hota hai. Toh aapke mindset mein kya chal raha hai ki woh mujhe judge kar rahe hain. Kind of thing.
Agar aapke dimaag mein yeh aayega ki woh aapko judge kar rahe hain toh phir kya hoga? Hai na problem aayegi na. Matlab insaan sochega mere ko judge karein, main judge kiya ja raha hai yaani main katghare mein khada hoon. Ab mere ko explanation dena hoga. Mere ko saboot lekar aane honge kind of thing.
Hum us zone mein chale jayenge. Lekin us zone ki zaroorat thodi hai humko. Hai na. Woh unki opinion hai, tippani nahi. Hum usko tippani ki tarah le sakte hain aur pareshan ho sakte hain. Usmein like ho sakte ho aap pareshan. Lekin kyun zaroorat hai? So unki opinion hai aur usko opinion ki tarah dekha hota hai.
Aur aap matlab for example main toh aise batata hoon. Main aise kehta hoon ki agar koi mujhe is tareeqe se bolta hai us cheez ke liye toh mera mind toh psychology figure out karne lag jaata hai ki uske saath kya chal raha hoga.
Matlab uski life mein aisa kya ho raha hoga ki uske munh se aise shabd nikle. Usko kis cheez ki madad chahiye? Main kaise us cheez ko handle kar sakta hoon ya kaise uski madad kar sakta hoon. Next time woh tip nahi dena. Ek baar toh batata hoon.
Ek lady thi toh upar se chilla rahi thi kisi ke, matlab chilla rahi thi dog ko yahan mat ghumao, yeh mat karo, woh mat karo. Upar se eighth floor se. Ab generally log kya karenge is cheez ke upar? Agar woh eighth floor se koi chilla rahi hai tez-tez kya karo, kya karoge? Ya toh aap chillaoge ya toh woh nahi.
Kya karoge batao? Agar woh eighth floor se buke phaad-phaad ke chilla rahi hai koi bahut tez aawaaz mein. You dirty people get out of this take your dog out this is not the place. Puraana thikaana. Full subah saadhe aath baje apni eighth floor se chilla rahi. Kaun batayega kya karna chahiye uske saath.
Reena
Ignore and move on.
Sunny
Cancel. Kuch doosra batao.
Reena
Okay.
Sunny
Woh chup nahi hogi na. Agar humne ignore kiya toh woh lagataar chalti rahegi us cheez ka.
Reena
Toh aunty ko upar dekh ke bolna hai. Haan ji haan ji aunty theek hai. Got it.
Sunny
Aur phir bhi chup nahi hui. Jao yahan se tum khade kyun ho? Then.
Vayu
Sunayi nahi de raha hai kya bol rahe ho.
Sunny
Thoda-thoda, thoda-thoda sahi sahi raaste par hai phir bhi aur bata aur kuch.
Vayu
Usko repetition karke apne khud ke uska hi tone down baad mein woh neeche ho jaata hai jab aap repeat karne bolte ho na kisi ko kya bola sunayi nahi diya toh jis tone mein pehle bola tha na woh apne nahi samjha kya bol rahe ho. Woh aur neeche neeche aata hai aur thode se better way mein aa jaata hai baad mein.
Sunny
Sahi baat sahi baat hai. Ek do baar unse bulwayenge toh unko woh shant hone lag jaata hai.
Yeh achhi psychology hai. Suppose.
Reena
Awesome.
Sunny
Kuch-kuch usmein galat saamne wale ne kuch galat bola toh use kya toh usse ek baar aur bulwa liya apan ne. Apan ko sunayi nahi diya kya. Lekin usse apan ek aur baar bula lete hain. Toh woh doosri baar bolega na thoda shanti se bolega ki achha-achha iske baad kya bola. Toh phir woh teesri baar aur shanti se bolega.
Hai na chauthi baar mat karna. Woh chidh jayega ki mera mazaak le raha hai yeh. Hai na so this is this is this is good thing. Yeah Sakshi ji.
Reena
Mera toh question tha.
Sunny
Okay okay okay so again maine bhi yeh maine bhi same cheez kiya. Unhone upar unhone upar se chillaya. Ya Rina ji aap kuch bol rahe ho.
Reena
Mere saath bhi hua tha par woh eighth floor se nahi second floor se koi bol raha tha.
I was about to poop on the grass of the joining plot. Toh woh old aunty ji thi and she started shouting at me ki bhaiya yahan par kyun potty kara rahe ho yeh kara rahe ho. Toh I just showed her the poop scoop and yeh ki hum clear bhi karke ja rahe hain. Otherwise phir woh bolti rahi.
Uske baad main unko dekhti rahi aur uske baad kuch nahi kiya. Matlab maine bhi kuch nahi kiya. I kept doing whatever I was doing aur that's what I showed her ki yahin par kiya that's what I clear.
Sunny
Yeah yeah yeah solve ho gaya. So bahut baar aise solve bhi ho jaata hai aur bahut baar nahi bhi hota ki unko hum bata bhi denge hum uthayenge nahi tum nahi uthaoge. Tum aise bol rahe ho, tum waise bol rahe ho. Kind of thing hai na woh that's it.
Is cheez mein kya-kya hua tha jab unhone upar se chillaya tha toh maine directly directly unko bol diya agar baat karni hai na toh neeche aakar baat kar lijiye please. Hai na mere ko aise baar-baar upar dekh ke sunayi nahi de raha.
Toh woh bhaagti-bhaagti neeche aa gayi. Mujhe kya batata hoon neeche-neeche neeche aa jayengi. Maine kaha main aise baat nahi karunga. Aapko agar baat karni toh aap neeche aa jaiye. Main kaahe ko poora kaam karoon. Tu bhi kaam kar bhai. Hai na tu upar baith ke chillaye ja rahi hai tu neeche aa.
Toh maine usko neeche bulaya. Ab woh neeche aayi. Lift se bhaagte, bhaagte, bhaagte, bhaagte aur meri taraf badhti ja rahi, badhti ja rahi. Maine kaha kya kar rahe ho aap? Blood pressure unke kind of thing mein us samay na nutrition ki padhai kar raha tha.
Hai na main abhi bhi padhai karta hoon toh mujhe na shakal dekhkar samajh mein aa jaata hai ki andar kya issue chal raha hai. Hai na so toh mere ko samajh mein aa gaya ki iske high blood pressure hai aur heartbeat bahut tez ho jaati hai because uske chehre par sign hai.
Maine kaha arey aap is tareeqe se aa rahi hai aapka blood pressure high ho gaya toh. Arey arey beta mera blood pressure toh waise hi high rehta hai. Toh itna sunte-sunte woh mere paas. Maine kaha blood pressure high rehta hai.
kaise blood pressure high rehne lag gaya. arre umra ki baat hai. maine kaha thoda khaana-vaana toh aapko theek karna padega. haan, khaane-vaane par toh dhyaan de rahe hain. abhi doctor se baat hui thi. lekin beta sahi baat hai. tumne pata toh laga liya ki mujhe blood pressure tha.
maine kaha sahi hai aunty ji bataiye ab kya karna hai. ab kya baat karein. nahi-nahi chaliye chai pee lete hain. maine kaha theek hai chaliye chai pee lein. main isko walk kara ke aa jaata hoon. so kind of thing ye completely solve hogi.
aur isse pehle isse pehle kya hota tha na mujhe itne saare dog parents yahi cheez bol rahe the ki yaar wo aunty humein pareshaan karti hai bahut zyada. aur dog parent neeche se ladne lagta. dog parent matlab jo bhi log the wo neeche se ladne lag jaate the unse. wo ooper se jawaab de rahi, ye neeche se jawaab de rahe.
neeche se chilla. dono-dono dono takre. toh same kaam jo Vayujeet ne bola ki agar aap do baar bhi bulwa sakte ho na unko toh shaant ho jaate hain ya phir unki position change kara sakte ho ki idhar aaiye toh bhi wo shaant ho jaate hain.
maine toh bahut bada change kara diya. ooper se eighth floor se neeche utaar diya unko toh wo completely shaantipoorna.
Reena
main toh ooper hi jaati hoon ooper. ki aunty ji boliye aap sunai nahi de raha. aap bataiye.
Sunny
ye galat ye khud-khud kyon kaam badha rahe ho apne? so.
Reena
doosre human ko snap out kara rahe hain basically jagah badal ke aur ho gaye.
Sunny
ye na ye game of game of power hai. so agar wo kya-wo kya kaun sa game khel rahe hain. wo power game khel rahe hain. so humein phir power game hi khelna padta hai. power game mein agar unhone aapko move kar diya you lose.
agar power game mein maine unko move kar diya ya phir humne unko dobaara bulwa diya this is the game of power. wo kya exert kar rahe hain apni power. so hum psychological khelte hain yahaan par unki power. lekin hum ye samajh jaate hain wo kar kya rahe hain.
hai na it's not ki wo personal nahi hai it's just the game of power.
toh agar usne kuch bola aur hum uske ghar mein pahunch gaye toh that's the problem. wo problem aa gayi. lekin hum ghar par kab pahunch sakte hain. suppose meri ex thi aur wo dog ko ghuma rahi thi aur usne potty uthai dog ki aur ab wo ghuma rahi hai toh wo kya potty lekar chalegi kya?
toh usne ek jagah par rakh di aur obviously ab koi bhi isko dekhega toh wo kya sochega ki bhai ye toh potty potty yahaan rakh ke potty yahaan rakh ke ja rahe hain. ek aadmi ne dekh liya. hai na aur uska bhi usko tension ka issue liver ka issue matlab main toh aise hi aadmi matlab main aise hi dekhta hoon.
matlab logon ko mujhe dikh jaata hai ki like kind of unmein liver ka issue hai tension ka issue hai. jismein liver aur tension ka issue hota hai na unmein gussa bahut tezi se aata hai. unka gussa control nahi rehta. toh us aadmi ka gussa control nahi hua aur usne mere ex par chilla diya. main tha nahi wahaan par.
ab yeh poori building ne dekhi yeh wali, yeh wali ki cheez.
ab wo ex mere paas pahunchi aur usne mere ko yeh sab bataya. tab aap uske ghar par ja sakte ho. Okay, tab main uske ghar, tab main uske ghar par gaya apne ex ko lekar aur maine unko saaf-saaf bola, "aage se agar kabhi bhi baat karni ho, bhale yeh potty yahaan rakhein ya phir phenkein.
isne aapko samjha diya tha ki yeh potty lekar aa rahi hai, lekin aapne suna nahi. aapne sabke saamne chillaya. aaj ke baad isse baat nahi karna aur agar isse baat kari toh main ghar mein ghus jaaoonga tumhaare." matlab kind of we have to exert that thing. hai na?
aapki khud ki bhi aapki ladkiyaan hain, aapki khud ki bhi hai toh aapko itni akal honi chahiye. hai na? So that time we can go. uske baad se usne kabhi aankhein jhuka ke baat chalta tha phir. main toh uske ghar par pahunch gaya tha aur baahar tezi se baat kari thi maine.
tere padosi bhi sunein ki tu aise kaise baat kar sakta hai. toh kind of thing humein phir dekhna padega. yeh game of power hai.
toh ye societies mein bahut hota hai yeh saari ki saari cheezein. But humein apna cool nahi khona hota is jagah ooper. aur ye clients ke saath bhi hoga. Clients bhi aapke ooper exert power karna chahenge. lekin aapko cool nahi khona hota us jagah par.
jab main clients ke paas gaya tha, maine, maine abhi tak do se teen clients ko mana kiya hai. bahut zyada nahi, lekin do se teen clients ke ghar par jaakar unko mana kiya ki I won't be able to work with you, kind of thing. toh us, us samay aur yeh do se teen tabhi hue jab wo log mere ko nahi jaante the.
kisi aur ne mere ko bulaya tha. lekin aisa aayega ki clients aapke ooper exert karenge then wahaan par aapko line kheenchana hota hai ki that is, that is it ki hum isse aage nahi, isse aage nahi badh sakte. toh client ke saath bhi aisa hota hai aur inke saath bhi aisa hota hai.
lekin cool nahi hone ka, apna cool nahi hone ka aur samajhne ka ki power game hai.
Society mein sirf power game hota hai. Power game kyon hota hai? har ek insaan ko significance feel karne ki need hoti hai, internal need hoti hai. toh jinke gharon mein unko significance feel nahi karaya jaata hai, wo baahar aakar tippaniyaan dete hain. yeh psychology hai behind.
toh it is painful na, matlab sad hai na? yeh zara socho is cheez ko. unke ghar mein unko significant feel nahi hota. How sad is that? aapke ghar mein agar aapko significant feel nahi hoga you will feel that kyon man this is sad. aur jab-- aur yeh shuruat mein nahi hota. jab insaan budhaape ki taraf jaata hai, hai na?
jab budhaape ki taraf jaata hai toh yeh chidan baahar aati hai. shuruat se, unko shuruat se kabhi significance feel nahi hua toh phir ab wo significance kaise feel karaate hain?
gussa karke. unhone wo learn kiya. gussa karna is equal to significance. lekin ghar mein aap gussa karte hain toh gharwaale ulta pakadte hain. pehle nahi tha aisa. hai na? pehle kya hota tha? bacche sun lete the jab wo gussa karte the ya biwi sun leti thi ya pati sun leta tha jab hum gussa karte the, pati.
lekin ek time ke baad unhone sunna band kar diya. ab unko significance feel hona band ho gaya. toh wo kahaan se significance lekar aayenge? Significance is a need. Human ki need hai. matlab wo humein poori karni hoti hai.
agar wo humein nahi poori kari, karni-- agar in logon ko pata nahi hai toh ve kahaan se poori karenge jinhone learn kiya hua hai. Learn kya kiya hua hai? gussa. gussa bhi significance feel karaata hai aur kisi ke liye kaam karna bhi significance feel karaata hai. lekin log kya choose kar lete hain? gusse ko.
agar aap kisi ki madad karoge, kisi ko help karoge toh tum uske liye kya ho gaye? Significant. Way or anyway wo bhi tumhaari significance ki need fulfill karta hai. iPhone tumhaari kaun si need fulfill karta hai? Significance ki need fulfill karta hai. Okay? iPhone, luxury items wo kis cheez ki fulfill karta hai?
Significance ki need. kyon? tum significant ho na, that's why you are carrying a luxury item. toh wo tumhaari significance ki need. isliye iPhone ke saamne line lagti hai. yeh hidden psychology hai iPhone ke peeche, Apple ke products ke peeche that significance. MacBook Pro kya feel karaata hai? Significance.
Apple products kya feel karaate hain? Significance. So unhone aapki, aapki Apple se zyada features Android mein hai. Then why? Then why? What is the-- yeh figure out karo kyon?
Because Android significance feel nahi karata. Yeh hidden psychology hai. Toh agar aapko kam bhi milega na zyada paison mein you will go where jahan par significance feel ho raha hai. Aur yeh aap apne business mein har jagah implement kar sakte ho in positive way. Yeh hidden psychology hoti hai.
Hai na products ke peeche jo great, great businesses hain. They let people feel significant because of their products aur iPhone ne woh crack kiya, Apple ne. Kya Vayu?
Vayu
Sir, ek question tha significance ke baare mein. So does the same logic apply behind like new pet parents going for breed dogs and not adopting Indians when they are in front of them and suffering on the streets? Right na?
Sunny
Yeah, do, do, do, do pehlu hain isko dekhne ke.
Pehli cheez jo breed dog le rahe hain, woh significance toh feel karne hi chahte hain. Lekin aajkal jo log adopt kar rahe hain woh bhi significance feel karna chahte hain. Dono mein hai na? Significance dono mein hi hai. Hai na? Ek tum positive se kar rahe ho aur ek tum negative se kar rahe ho.
Lekin significance dono se hai. Adoption, rescue kya feel karata hai? It is not a bad thing. Significance feel karna bad thing nahi hai. Woh hamari core need hai. Hum control mein nahi hai. Understand this thing. Hum control mein nahi hai. Woh humein poori karni hi karni hai. Poori karni hi karni hai.
Toh human ki chheh core needs hoti hain. Jaise hum dogs ki needs batate hain, teen needs batate hain exercise, discipline, affection category mein. Waise human ki chheh core needs hoti hain certainty, uncertainty, significance, love, growth and contribution.
These are the six needs. Agar hum yeh six needs nahi poori karte hain, hum satisfied feel nahi karte. Isliye bahut se log jinke paas-- jo adventure karte hain, jinke paas bahut paisa hai woh bhi suicide kar lete hain because woh fulfill feel nahi karte. Because kyon?
Unke aakhiri jo do hai growth aur contribution usme woh badhte nahi aage. Toh unko stuck feel hota hai. Toh yeh chheh core needs hain insaan ki. Toh insaan ko soch ke rakhna chahiye ki agar usko stuck feel ho raha hai aur fulfilled feel nahi ho raha, in chheh cheezon mein gadbad hai.
In chheh mein se kisi ek mein gadbad hai. Love toh yeh poori kar dete hain dog. Dog kya-kya poori karta hai? Kaun batayega? Dog significance poori karta hai. Dog love poori karta hai. Dog certainty poori karta hai. Certain hona like you have dog subah uthkar jaana hai.
Subah uthkar jaana hai, walk par jaana hai, itni baje feeding deni hai, itni baje pee aur poop hai.
Kya lekar aata hai life mein? Certainty. Hai na? Aur kya pagle hote hain? Woh kya lekar aata hai? Uncertainty. Kuchh bhi kar liya, kuchh phaad diya, kahin bhaag gaya, kahin bhauk diya, kisi ke upar chadh gaya, kabhi beemaar ho gaya, kabhi kya ho gaya. Toh kya poori karte hain? Woh uncertainty poori karte hain.
Toh hum dog se kya-- aur dog humein pyaar deta hai. Toh hum dog se koi bhi cheez duniya mein, koi bhi cheez, koi bhi being, koi bhi product agar hamari teen se zyada core need poori karte hain, hum uske liye addicted ho jaate hain.
Toh agar aap relationship mein ho aur aapko lagta-- aapko chahiye ki saamne wala aapse addicted ho jaaye, yeh uski chheh core need ko nikalo aur uski poori kar do. He will be addicted and she will be addicted to you. In a good way. Not addiction is not a matlab bad bhi hota hai.
Sakshi
Connected.
Sunny
Haan, she matlab woh ho jaayega ki you are the thing in her life. Matlab it's like woh chhodega nahi tumko phir. Woh hamesha safe feel karenge tumhare around aur fulfill feel, safe nahi fulfill feel karenge. Toh jaise hum fulfill feel karte hain woh kya hai? But aur phir tum sochoge yeh toh manipulation nahi hai.
It is not manipulation, it is understanding ki saamne wale ko tum understand-- matlab khud ko tum understand karte ho toh obviously saamne wale ko bhi understand karoge na. And you will see cheezein change hone jab tum is matrix se kaam karoge.
Like certainty kaise lekar aa sakta hoon main life mein kisi apne rishte ke ya phir uncertainty kaise lekar aa sakta hoon. Uncertainty matlab kya? Let's go on adventure. Let's start some new business. Let's talk about some new thing. That's uncertainty. Kuchh nayi cheez lekar aaye. Teesri cheez love.
Main pyaar kaise-- teesri cheez significance. Hai na?
Usko significance kaise feel kara sakta hoon? For example, family ke saamne first usko woh diya significance. Samjha apne rishte mein. Family mein sabse pehle usko aage woh diya significance. Ya phir kisi bhi koi bhi cheez kisi se share karne se pehle uske saath share ki significance. Example de raha hoon.
Sakshi
Maine yeh significance ka point matlab sabse zyada relate kab kiya tha? Road par maine bahut observe kiya hai ki jo beggar rehta hai usko koi poochhta nahi hai. Woh akela hai. Usko sab log wahan se hakalte hain, road par sone nahi dete but he still owns a dog aur dog ki bahut achhe se khayal rakhta hai.
Log usko kuchh bhi khilaane dete hain, woh dog ke saath share karta hai. Maine dekha woh dog jaise ek BMW wale owner ke saath bhi hai waise hi dog mein toh differentiate nahi karte dog. Toh woh dog ko bahut pyaar- Haan.
Toh that is also ki usko aisa lagta hai duniya mujhe hakalti hai lekin yeh dog mere se kitna unconditionally pyaar kar raha hai.
So uska bhi woh significance se bhi- Sirf beggar ki baat nahi hai, hum sabki baat hai.
Sunny
Duniya toh mere ko- Nahi woh toh extreme ho gaya.
Sakshi
Like that is extreme ki beggar hai uske paas khud ke khaane ke laale hain- Haan, kha ke reh jaata hai. Lekin woh dog ko sambhaal raha hai aur khud ki roti uske saath share kar raha hai. Toh extreme example maine wahan par observe kiya.
Sunny
Yeah, extreme example hai lekin yeh duniya woh jo dog ki fulfill hai woh sabki, jo tune sahi bola woh sabke saath, sabke saath hai. Woh hamare aise internal toh tumhein figure out hoga cheezein ki yaar how yeh cheezein kuchh products jo chalte hain woh chalte kyon hain?
Yeh tumhein profession mein bhi help karega plus rishton mein bhi help karega jab tum in needs ko samjhoge. Yeh maine Tony Robbins se seekha tha. Hai na?
Tony, Tony, Tony Robbins is like woh great person hai and usko dimaag ke baare mein bahut cheezein pata hai aur woh Bill Clinton, Presidents aur in sabko coach karta hai. So uski framework hai. Usne figure out kiya tha yeh saari ki saari cheezein.
Toh usne chheh needs ke baare mein bataya and woh chheh needs maine implemen-- main toh hamesha experiment ke perspective, usme rehta hoon yaar. So I aur lambe time ke experiments par woh rehta hoon. Like main dog ko yahan par kitne time se dekh raha hoon. It's like 2000, 2019-20 mein yahan par aaya.
So main lambe time se us par rehta hoon. So main lambe time tak logon ko badalte hue dekha hai because of this thing. The way I started behaving through this, through this framework. Toh maine logon ko meri tarah badalte hue dekha hai. Meri tarah more attached hote hue dekha hai cheezon ko. Hai na?
It's kind of ki unka behavior meri tarah more respectful hote hue dekha hai just because I started fulfilling all these things. So yeh needs humein khud ko toh poora karte hi hai lekin humein madad bhi karta hai rishte behtar banane mein. Yeh dog ke baare mein nahi hai.
Lekin agar hum khud fulfill feel karenge toh hum apne business ko bhi improve kar sakte hain aur apne dogs ko bhi.
Lekin agar hum khud hi sad rehte hain toh kaise kaam hoga? Hai na? So like problem aayegi na un sab cheezon ko. Khud ko samajhna zaroori hai aur koi aur samajh ke baitha hua hai aur woh bata raha hai toh usse poochna chahiye na bhai. Toh aise Tony Robbins ne humko yeh chhe cheezein batayi aur yeh bahut important hai.
Chhe cheezein bahut important hai. Yeh business mein important hai. Business mein kyun important hai? Aap product kaisa design karoge? For example, this product lo. Apna pro program ka lo. Certainty kya hai? Weekly calls. Hai na? Certainty kya hai? Weekly calls. Hai na?
Aur like care feel hoti hai, significance feel hoti hai. Hai na? Agar hum aapke answers dete hain, aapke replies dete hain us cheez ke liye. Aapko growth feel hoti hai. Aap behavior ke baare mein seekh rahe ho. Hai na?
Agar hum next time kuch contribution ka kuch lekar aayenge ki hum kisi NGO ko-- so you will feel contribution uske andar. Phir kya isse aap, aap is product se aap jud jaoge.
Hai na? Kyunki yeh product aapki multiple needs poori kar raha hai. Toh aise aap multiple apne life mein bhi products bana sakte ho, multiple apne business mein bhi cheezein kar sakte ho aur sirf business, relation everything yeh use hota hai. Yeh chhe needs use hote hain.
Jahan par bhi aap human se interact kar rahe ho wahan par agar aap six needs ko apne dimaag mein lekar rakhoge you will become better in interacting with them, in connecting with them. Woh deeply connect honge aapse. Okay? So kyunki aap fulfill feel kara rahe ho life mein unko aur koi nahi.
So abhi toh yaar humne baat hi nahi kari memory ke baare mein. Hamare toh questions hi reh gaye aur time ho gaya. It's 2:30 ho gaye. Next time hum is cheez ke baare mein baat karenge.
Sakshi
Sakshi ke, Sakshi ke questions hain baaki.
Sunny
Kya?
Sakshi
Sakshi ke questions reh gaye.
Sunny
Haan, haan Sakshi ke. Haan.
Sakshi
Questions se zyada woh jo aapne poocha tha ki how would you handle a traumatic- Yeah.
Like how would you-- toh woh usi ke continuation mein hi woh bata rahi thi but it's okay.
Matlab mera experience different tha kyunki-- uh, toh I don't know whether you remember but hum-- maine aapko bataya tha ki hum Barfi ko lekar aaye the and within 15 days woh hamare ghar par tha aur usne 20th floor se neeche gir gaya tha.
Sunny
Bataya tha mere ko yeh.
Sakshi
Haan ji. Toh uske basically dono pair aage ke front paws fracture ho gaye the and this happened around 12:20 at night. I was alone at home aur us samay hamare saath Laddu rehta tha. Matlab jo hamara doosra cat tha woh tha.
Toh woh neeche gira hai aur mujhe nahi samajh mein aaya because it was so dark and I was also not wearing my glasses toh main figure out bhi nahi kar paayi ki itne andhere mein Barfi gaya kahan.
Aur mujhe bas neeche security guard ki aawaaz aayi hai ki madam aapka puppy neeche gir gaya hai.
Sunny
Arre teri.
Sakshi
And I was so shocked and matlab jitne bhi negative feelings aa sakti thi mere andar for being a careless parents sab aaya.
Sunny
Okay, careless.
Sakshi
Sab aaya.
Sunny
Okay.
Sakshi
Haan matlab I could have handled the situation better. Usko raat mein main ghoomne nahi jaane de sakti, matlab garden ka access nahi de sakti thi and all of those things.
But one thing I remember was because Laddu was also there and woh bhi bahut kyunki cats bhi cats are also highly sensitive of all of these things right.
Toh and mere paas ek bahut lamba time tha jahan par mujhe ghar se utar ke 50 seedhiyan neeche utar ke jaana tha kyunki lift jahan par khul rahi thi woh wahan par nahi gira tha.
Woh bilkul doosre side mein gira tha. Toh I had like those moments with me jahan par main apne aap ko shaant bhi karti gayi saath mein. I made sure ki maine ek chhota sa blanket liya tha Barfi ka, usse maine usko uthaya.
I had to drive him 30 minutes ke liye kyunki us samay koi raat mein hospitals bhi nahi khule hote the. But all I remember was jab usko yeh sab hua toh obviously uske dimaag mein body bhi usko show kar rahi thi yeh saari cheezein. I made sure ki even though main usko woh sab physically fulfillment nahi de sakti thi.
I made sure ki main usko mentally enriched rakhoon and usmein ek part yeh bhi tha ki jahan par main usko usi section mein lekar jaati thi and I would feed him.
I would bring out Laddu in that same area taaki woh dheere dheere confidence bhi build up hota rahe and woh- Woh darne lag gaya tha? Nahi, nahi dara.
Sunny
Woh dar- phir baad mein I think ek-aadh baar hesitation kara us section mein jaane ke liye.
Sakshi
But phir usne dekha ki uska khaana pada rehta hai because also he was a puppy right. Toh uske liye woh cheezein overwrite karna bhi bahut aasaan ho gaya.
Sunny
Raat ka, woh raat, woh raat ka time tha toh wahan par aawaazein bahut kam thi. Stimulation bahut kam tha. Log bahut kam the. Ho-halla bahut kam tha. Kuch bhi nahi tha wahan par. Just woh jump kara, uske pair neeche-neeche kara aur wahin par baitha raha.
Wahan par whine kiya hoga, yelp kiya hoga usne bahut zyada aur aap aaye aur utha ke usko le gaye toh usko trauma nahi baitha. Hai na uske paas, uske paas enough time tha woh khud se woh karne ka, cope up karne ka.
Toh dog ko jab time milta hai na khud se cope up karne ka, khud se cope up kar lete hain. Aapko bhi lagta hai yeh jaise strays hote hain, unki takkar lagti rehti hai toh ab kya woh sadak par bhaag jaate hain wahan se? Jaise agar apne dogs hon, agar unki takkar lag gayi toh kya-kya-kya karenge?
Woh toh dekhkar seedha bhaagte hain andar. Seedha bhaagte hain. Lekin strays ke saath kya hota hai na? Stray agar khud cope up kar leta hai na toh woh overcome kar leta hai. Agar dog khud cope up kar leta hai woh overcome kar leta hai. Kyun? Kyunki koi external emotions nahi aa rahe.
Hai na, koi external feedback nahi aa raha. Usko khud hi ko nikalna hai usse baahar. Toh dog ne nikal gaya baahar.
Sakshi
Right. Kyunki jab woh security bhaiya ne bhi jab mujhe bola ki aapka doggy gir gaya hai neeche toh unhone bhi jaake usko uthaya ya touch vach nahi kara kuch.
Sunny
Akele hi hoga woh, akele hi cope up kiya.
Sakshi
Woh akele tha. Usne haan, usne yelp kara. Maine jab usko uthaya kyunki main bhi apne chaaron limbs tudwa ke baithi hoon toh I know ki pain wagera kaisa hota hai.
I tried touching him in certain areas and I figured out ki okay yahan par pair mein hai toh usko wahan par halka sa maine support ke liye woh blanket halka sa wrap kara just to keep him warm. Aur phir main usko ek haath se drive karke lekar bhi gayi.
But haan, jo mujhe ek cheez yeh lagi ki jo maine usko us cheez par zyada focus nahi karne diya. Matlab obviously usne jo kara khud se kara. Definitely kudos to him for that. But uske baad maine us cheez ko as a trauma maine khud ke liye bhi nahi liya. I met the doctor aur usne bola ki puppy hai jaldi heal kar jaayega.
Itna koi-kyunki us samay tak uske vaccinations bhi nahi hue the and also I was not aware about certain things. Toh jo vet bol raha tha wahi matlab woh thi. Not tha poora cheezon ka.
Sunny
Nice.
Sakshi
So yeah, that was- Yeah toh- Mera ek sorry, sorry please continue.
Sunny
Aap boliye na.
Sakshi
Nahi mera ek aur question hi tha self-awareness ko lekar. Wo aapne suna hi hoga wo Bunny sheepadoodle jo tha.
Sunny
Haan.
Sakshi
Jiske baare mein baat kar rahe the. Usme aapka kya opinion hai? Kyunki uske questions bahut interesting the like what is dog? And then there was a time period jahan par wo thoda sa like the parents were noticing ki wo halka sa for-for some time he went into depression also. Usko anxiety hone lagi thi.
Self-awareness and everything wo, wo saari cheezon par aapka opinion jaanna tha.
Sunny
Kaun se case ke baare mein baat kar rahe hain aap?
Sakshi
So there was a video matlab Instagram par I think 2023-21 mein bahut zyada float hua tha jisme wo ek sheepadoodle hai. Usko buttons de diye gaye the communicate karne ke liye.
Sunny
Haan.
Sakshi
Aur usme wo apne baad mein jab dogs matlab buttons rehte the, wo usse poochhta tha ki what is dog? Am I happy? What is happening to me? All those things. Wo jo kyunki Vishwajit ne wo self-awareness waali baat kari thi toh us par main aapka opinion jaanna chaa rahi thi.
Sunny
Wo marketing gimmick hai wo.
Sakshi
All the buttons also ya sab?
Sunny
Yeah, marketing gimmick hai. Jo is par research kari uska research ka funder hi us company ka maalik hai.
Sakshi
Oh!
Sunny
Jo research publish hui, jo research publish hui, wo sponsor inhone kari jiska product tha.
Speaker 9
Haan makes sense.
Sunny
Yeah, so gimmick hai aur jitne biologist hain wo sab hai. Wo bahut mazaak udaate hain us cheez ka bahut zyada mazaak udaate hain. Wo completely scam hai. Buttons, ekdam scam hai. Itna bada scam hai wo. Kyun? Kyunki insaan apne dog ko sunna chaahta hai.
Insaan apne dog ko samajhna chaahta hai ki tere andar kya chal raha hai. Usse baat karna chaahta hai. Uska faayda uthaaya gaya, is craving ka. Lekin buttons- doosra bhi aaya hai.
Speaker 9
Sorry, sorry. Nahi nahi aap bole bolo please. Haan abhi doosra collar bhi aaya hai. Matlab made in China. Aajkal uska bada- wo same uska ek aur version.
Sunny
Ab AI aa gaya toh ab AI waala same uska version aur koi nahi.
Speaker 9
Aur animal communication- AI kaise, jaise AI kaise kaam karta hai na?
Sunny
For example scam kaise. Koi bhi jaise AI kaise kaam karta hai na, jo already data hai AI us par trained hota hai.
Getting my point? AI kaise kaam karta hai? Jo already data available hai internet ke upar usse trained hokar wo aapko reply karta hai. Kutte ki kaun si bhaasha available hai, jisse AI trained hokar aa raha hai ki uske bark ka matlab yeh hai, uska yeh matlab hai.
Agar insaan already figure out kar chuka hota toh kar sakta, toh AI aa sakta hai.
Speaker 9
Haan, but usme ulta bhi sikha rahe hain. Matlab aapne agar dog ko bola ki remote lekar aao toh wo remote lekar aa raha hai and cheezein matlab aisi.
Sunny
Haan, toh wo toh sikha rakha hai usko remote lekar aa. Usko kaise pata remote yeh hota hai. Matlab abhi bachhe se aap, matlab agar, agar main isko Chinese mein kuch bolun, kaun sa aap mein se kaun sa insaan lekar aa jaaoge? Yeh waali cheez pen lekar aa jaaoge.
Agar main Chinese mein bol diya toh maine, aap mein se kaun lekar aa paaoge?
Aapke paas toh itna complex mind hai. Usko bole tu remote le aa toh remote le aaya. Usko kaise pata remote kya hai? Haan, usko kaise pata? Ye sab marketing gimmick hai. Marketing gimmick.
Vayu
Ek question tha. Also one more video jo maine dekha tha India's Got Talent or something Got Talent par jo ki dogs ko wo bolte hain one plus one. Phir wo do baar bark karega. Two minus three, ek baar bark karega. Jo bhi hai, chhah baar bhi bark kiya, 10 baar bhi bark kiya. Toh mujhe pata hai wo training hi hai.
Lekin dog kis perspective se le rahe hain? Phir wo kaise train kiya jaata hai ki matlab wo kaise process kar raha hai ki this minus this ya phir wo aise command hi waise process ho raha hai. Humko dikha jaa raha hai ki hum log usko yeh kar rahe hain calculation de.
Sunny
Wo, wo semantic memory mein aata hai inka. So semantic memory kya karti hai na? Jaise ek border kutta, wo thousand name yaad, thousand toys ka name yaad rakh liya usne.
Thousand names, names yaad rakh liya. Kaun sa kya toy hai? Toh dog ke paas yeh ability hai. Hai na? Wo, wo ise bana sakte hain. One plus one minus this is equal to jitni bark. Wo us cheez se bana sakte hain. Lekin wo karna padega. Like train karna padega.
Vayu
Utne barks unse.
Sunny
Jaise, jaise tumne, tumne dog ko sikhaaya is speak. Speak ka matlab bark. Tum sikha sakte ho. Hai na? Speak ka matlab bark tum sikha sakte ho. One plus one speak, speak, speak. Usne teen speak kiya. Aage jaakar kya hoga ye? Hai na? Procedural memory mein chala jaayega ye.
Sirf one plus one karoge aur wo bark karna chaalu karega. Wo bark karna chaalu karega.
Vayu
Wo gimmick mein aa gaya ki usko bas wo command pata hai. Uske upar kya respond karna hai. He is not actually calculating, right?
Sunny
Nahi calculate nahi kar sakta wo.
Vayu
Haan, haan, wahi, wahi, wahi.
Sunny
Calculate nahi kar sakta. Gimmick hai.
Speaker 9
Lekin dikhaaya hai ki matlab calculate karta hai. Matlab bark nahi, lekin paw aise, aise, aise paw utni baar. Matlab multiplication wagairah tak aa jaati hai dogs ko. Aise ek.
Sunny
Nahi, nahi sakta. Multiplication insaan ko seekhne mein kitna samay laga tha itna complex mind ke baad. It's not easy. Agar aap multiplication ka apne mind mein zara dekho ki hota kya hai? It's not easy. It's not easy. Bahut saari cheezein hoti hain. Bahut saari steps hain.
Four into four is equal to ab toh hum rat ke bol dete hain 16. Lekin four is equal to four plus four is equal to eight. Ab us eight ko sambhaal ke rakhna padega. Eight plus four is equal to 12. Ab us 12 ko sambhaal ke rakhna padega aur yeh bhi sambhaal ke rakhna padega ki kitni baar four ko plus karna hai.
Agar aap yeh bhool gaye kitni baar four ko plus karna hai toh phir? Kitni baar four ko plus karna hai. Toh it's a huge complex task jo hum aise hi granted le lete hain. Dog nahi kar sakta. Wo nahi kar sakta.
Speaker 9
Main aapko, main aapko video bhejungi. Wo lady ka channel hai. Matlab main abhi Instagram mein nahi aayi hoon toh maine use dekh liya aur uske kaafi saare videos waise hi hain aur matlab uska typical dog mujhe nahi lagta jaise apna hai.
Wo kaafi sincere bachha nahi hota class mein ekdam bag lekar baal banaakar aise-aise.
Sunny
Okay, okay.
Vayu
Also about the poodle question which you had sent wo screenshot, us par bhi maine ek video daala tha. Wo aapne dekha kya? Wo maine baad mein mujhe samjha same T-shirt mein tha na toh shaayad lage ki same video hai, lekin wo us par answer tha.
Sunny
Nahi, abhi nahi dekha maine. Maine videos abhi nahi dekhe. Main bhi aaj dekhunga. Friday, Saturday, Sunday poore video dekhunga. Yeah.
Speaker 9
Sunny wo jo aapne kal video bheja tha wo bark off challenge wala, us par thoda discussion kar sakte hain kya?
Sunny
Haan, chaliye na us par discussion kar lete hain. Yeah, so yeah. So Manya ki, Manya ki, Manya ne try kiya wo aawaaz ko, lekin wo nahi kiya usne. Betty ne, hai na? Wo reply, reply nahi kiya uske upar. Kaisa behave kiya usne?
Speaker 5
Usne matlab pehle suna. Phir usne aise-aise apne ears kiye. Phir aise peeche gayi.
Sunny
Confused ho gayi.
Speaker 5
Phir aise thoda ek side, haan phir aise-aise idhar-udhar dekhne lagi. Phir idhar bhaagi, udhar bhaagi. Phir chhod di.
Sunny
Lekin impact pada na. Impact pada. Lekin utna, utna impact nahi pada. Lekin agar tu bina mobile ke karti, khud aise karti toh bahut bhayankar impact padta.
Bahut bhayankar impact padta. Toh yes Sakshi ji kya sawaal hai aapke?
Speaker 9
Nahi in general ki what is happening? Kyunki meri understanding.
Sunny
So haan, so wahan par, wahan par actual mein kya ho raha tha na, us aawaaz se wo bahut zyada trigger ho raha tha. So generally ab yeh jaanna kyon zaroori hota hai? Aapko kai baar dekhne ko milega. Jo ghar ke dogs hote hain, wo ekdum khade hokar aise karna start kar dete hain. Wo kab karna aise start kar sakte hain?
Suppose kar lo bhai koi, koi motorcycle hai, uski brake kharab hai. Usne brake lagayi, usne keeeen aisi aawaaz di. Toh wo dog kya dog bhi darr jayega. Hai na? Dog pareshaan, dog pareshaan ho jayega. Wo itni cheezein handle nahi kar sakte. Bahut tez aawaaz aa gayi uske liye. Toh bahut tez bark karna start kar denge.
Isi video mein bhi same hai. Yeh saare herding dog ho sakte hain. Hai na? Herding, haan, yeh saare ke saare herding dog ho sakte hain aur inke kaan bahut tez ho sakte hain aur wahan par bahut zyada stimulant tha.
Agar wahan par aap is tareeqe se like seeti bajaaoge toh wo inko completely trouble kar raha tha. Bahut zyada arouse kar raha tha aur arouse zyada ho rahe the. Unki poonch dekhi thi? Wo poonch kaise hil rahi thi? So wo arouse ho, ho, ho jaate the itni si aawaaz se. Aur arouse kaise ho gaye?
So dog aisa nahi hota ki wo kuch sexual act se arouse ho raha hai ya phir kisi aur cheez se. Dog arouse hote hain stimulation se. Kitna high degree of stimulation unko mil raha hai. So agar koi female aati hai usmein kya ek high degree of stimulation milta hai heat par jo aati hai, toh wo arouse ho jaate hain.
Agar aap excitement mein milte ho toh dog arouse ho jaate hain. Unki poonch tez chalne jaati hai aur wo humping karna bhi chaalu kar sakte hain. Dog agar hum tez seeti bajaate hain toh wo arouse ho jaate hain aur wo usmein barking karna bhi chaalu kar sakte hain. So it was, it was case of arousal.
Wo dog arouse ho rahe the.
Kyunki wo dog, aur wo arousal ek limit ke baahar ja rahe the jisse wo barking unka chaalu ho jaata. Barking chaalu ho jaata.
Vayu
Hello, umm, main ek kuch research kiya toh maine yeh paaya ki New Zealand mein na stock dogs rehte hain. Stock dogs are just like Border Collie jo cattle ko herd karte hain.
Sunny
Haan, haan.
Vayu
Aur yeh jo specific breed hai, breed hai usmein use ho rahi thi.
Sunny
Haan.
Vayu
Aur wahan par kya hota hai ki bade-bade just like Border Collie jo kaam karta hai cattle ko herding, theek hai? Toh abhi is dog ko yeh log aise treat karte hain. For example agar main human hoon, main aawaaz doon.
Sunny
Haan.
Vayu
Bahut bade-bade farmlands hain. Literally mountains par chale ja rahe hain cattle ke peeche, sheep aur cows ke peeche.
Sunny
Haan.
Vayu
Toh aawaaz nahi jaayegi. That's what they were trained on.
Sunny
Seeti.
Sakshi
Responding to the whistle, haan.
Vayu
Toh whistle pe jaise hi idhar bajaaya toh dog was understanding ki mujhe inko abhi herd karna hai.
Toh dog bahut door rehta hai na. Toh dog sheeps ko kya kar raha tha na, bark kar raha tha sheeps ke paas dekh ke. Toh yeh sheeps ke paas dekh ke bark karte aur unko guidance dete. Toh whistle is equal to a specific type of barking. Abhi is competition mein kya ho raha tha na?
They want such dogs ki jinka bark strong ho, bahut strong ho. Jis strong bark ki wajah se jo bhi sheep hai ya phir jo bhi cattle hai wo darr ke ek side par.
Sunny
Haan.
Vayu
Toh yeh competition is baare mein tha ki yeh paanch dogs mein se kaun sa dog badi bark deta hai. Abhi competition ko unhe on ground na karte hue like with the, with the sheeps unhone usme se herding part minus kar diya aur sirf barking ke liye unhone wo competition organize kiya tha.
Toh wo competition mein wo first dog jeeta tha, jo first kar raha tha na. Toh abhi dog ko table par kyon bithaaya? Kyunki they do not want the dog to run anywhere because wahan par cattle toh hai nahi.
Wahan par sirf log baithe.
Sunny
Haan jaayenge.
Vayu
Aur unhone first dog dikha kyunki wo bahut loud bark aur one whistle is equal to one bark. Toh wo chaahte the ki dog kitna consistently hum jitne bhi baar bolte hain without skipping the whistle kitna consistently bark karte rehta hai aur kitna loud bark maintain karta hai.
Toh us basis par judges ne usko first dog ko prize diya tha.
Sunny
Yes.
Vayu
Toh matlab isliye wo continue whistle kar rahe the. Toh wo dog jo pehla bhi log he will be used on the field in order to herd the cattle bade bark ke saath jo ki achha productive unko outcome dega. Toh waisa wo competition tha.
Sunny
Lekin wo kiya, wo kar arousal ki wajah se tha.
Vayu
Haan, right.
Sunny
Haan, wo haan, toh wo koi, koi bhi dog kar sakta. Zaroori nahi hai ki wo herding, wo obviously wo us cheez ke liye trained ho chuke hain, us cheez ke liye kaam kar rahe hain. Lekin koi bhi dog is tareeqe se arouse karke, is tareeqe se behave kar sakta hai aur gharon mein aisa hota hai.
Vayu
Hmm.
Sunny
Hai na? Ghantiyon ke saath. Toh hum kai baar ghanti change karaane ke liye bhi bolte hain. Agar ghanti toh usme dog pareshaan ho jaata hai.
Vayu
Maine try kiya tha.
Sunny
Haan.
Vayu
Ringtone change ki thi. Yeh dono ne react hi nahi kiya. Aisa sirf dekhe.
Sunny
Haan.
Vayu
Lekin wo zyada strong nahi tha. Waapas original.
Sunny
Haan, toh usse kahin aur pata.
Vayu
Wahan pe react karne lag jaate.
Sunny
Haan.
Vayu
Aur mera answer mein sir, haan, aur ek wo jiska diya tha Brownie jo sabzi wala aata hai na, wo is par baat karte, baat karte megaphone pe. Us wale voice ko bahut door se howl karke yeh karti hai.
Sunny
Haan.
Vayu
Toh aapne jaise bola ki high pitch sound aapne bola tha. Toh high pitch sound ko lekar waisa hai like whistling sound ya phir yeh megaphone ke sound aur alag-alag cheez hai. Toh haan, matlab wahi arousal aa jaata hai unmein.
Sunny
Arousal, matlab arousal aata hai unmein. Unmein barking karna chaalu kar denge wo.
Hai na? Us samay wo inke haath mein nahi rehta. Toh wo arousal ki wajah, wo arousal ki wajah se hai. So whistle par jo bhi ho raha tha, wo bhi arousal ki wajah se tha. Ab wo kisi bhi, yeh, kaaran ki wajah se. Arousal ko istemaal kar rahe hain.
Vayu
Hmm, right.
Sunny
Hai na? Is behavior ko istemaal kar rahe hain sheeps ko herd karne ke liye. Lekin wo ho arouse, aur over a period jaise usne seeti bajaayi, usne wo arousal aise hua. Usko treat de di. Ek baari mein chup, jaise chup hua. Phir ek baar baje, phir usko kuch de diya.
Toh usko samajh mein aa gaya, achha-achha, iska matlab yeh, iska matlab yeh, iska matlab yeh. Toh ab jaise seeti, seeti band chup. Toh usko samajh aa gaya kitni seeti par kitna wo karna hai. Is tareeqe se aap bata, lekin unka nature hota hai, dogs ka hai. Hai na? Bahut saare dogs ka.
Sakshi
Achha.
Sunny
Unko koi, inko koi ekdum tezi se koi wo milta hai ya koi tez wali sound milti hai, high frequency sound milti hai toh arouse hote hain wo kyunki wo rakh nahi paate us cheez ko.
Bahut zyada stimulate hota hai unke liye. Toh woh release kar dete hain bark kar ya phir bark kar. Okay?
Sakshi
puppy whine karta hai tab bhi dogs arouse ho jaate hain.
Sunny
Haan, dogs haan, abhi jaise puppy whine kar raha hai toh yeh ekdum alert ho jaata hai ki kya bhai kaun hai idhar andar? Barney. Hai na? Woh alert ho jaaye, alert ho jaayega poora. puppy whine karte hain toh maa uski, dono alag-alag behave kar rahe. Maa, maa pareshaan hoti, maa unki taraf jaati hai.
Yeh bhi unki taraf hi jaane ki koshish kar raha hota hai, lekin isko mana kar diya jaata hai.
Sakshi
Achha ji aapne- sorry.
Sunny
Haan, bolo. Nahin-nahin bolo, bolo.
Sakshi
Nahin, main bas poochh rahi thi ki abhi aapne behavioral change kya dekha maa ke andar?
Sunny
Woh, jab puppy ke saath hai toh woh territorial hai. puppy ke baahar, puppy ke saath nahin hai toh normal hai. Jaisi hai waisi hai. Lekin puppy ke saath alag hai.
Agar puppy iske saath jaati hai, woh ekdum alag ho jaati hai.
Sakshi
And did she understand that one of her pups passed away?
Sunny
Nahin-nahin, woh dog yeh understand nahin rakhta. Yeh understanding nahin rakhte woh. Dog ko loss ka understanding nahin hota.
Speaker 10
Even with her own pup?
Sunny
Yeah, it's not about own pup. These are just pups and I want to take care of them. That's I go, I-I have to take care of them. That's it. It's not agar yeh mera pup hai, woh self-awareness ke baad aata hai.
Speaker 10
And did she eat the, did she eat the puppy or like what did you do with the puppy?
Sunny
Woh puppy jab puppy jab dead tha, puppy wahaan pada hua tha, dead tha. Maine side mein usko rakh diya tha. Baakiyon ko woh nurse kar rahi thi. Us dead puppy ko bhi chaat rahi thi woh. Hai na? Woh toh uska nature hai. Matlab it's not ki usko pata hai ki woh mar gaya ya phir usko lag raha hai ki main isko uthaaun.
Woh human ki story hai. Okay, woh human ki story hai. Aisa kuch bhi nahin hai. Woh koi usko uthaane ki koshish nahin kar rahi hai, na usko yeh pata hai woh mar gaya. Woh apne instincts ke hisaab se uske upar jo placenta laga usko saaf kar rahi hai.
Speaker 10
Saaf kar rahi thi.
Sunny
Very focused. Nothing else dimaag mein. Hai na? Mere ko yeh karne ka hai. Dhap-dhap dhap-dhap placenta khaaya, placenta kaata aur puppy ko poora neeche se saaf kiya, har taraf se saaf kiya. Ab woh hil nahin raha hai. Woh pada hua hai. Yeh baakiyon ke upar nurse kar rahi hai. Ab main wahaan par baitha hua hoon.
Maine puppy ko side mein rakha hua hai. Maine puppy ko jaise hi uthaaya, yeh-yeh uth gayi, khadi ho gayi. Toh uske dimaag mein abhi bhi nahin hai ki woh puppy nahin hai. Woh puppy uske dimaag mein abhi bhi hai ki usko puppy ka dhyaan rakhna hai. Hai na? Woh set nahin hua ki puppy ab hil nahin raha, kuch nahin ho raha.
Toh phir maine puppy ko waapas rakh diya ki main thodi der baad aaunga.
Jab tera ho jaayega, tere ko samajh mein aa jaayega. Toh phir main waapas gaya. Tab tak maine gaddha khoda. Obviously aur kya karunga? Toh gaya, gaddha khoda uske liye. Hai na? And then phir waapas aaya and waapas thodi der uske paas baitha. puppy ko haath mein liya. Thodi der phir baitha.
Ab puppy thanda hona start ho gaya tha. Hai na? Phir usko waapas se usko haath mein liya aur phir usko dekha aur woh nurse kar rahi thi. Toh jab main utha toh woh uthi nahin. Aur main phir liya. Aise tha. But that's it. Uske baad koi kuch woh nahin. Dog ko nahin lag-dog ko nahin lagta.
Dog ko dog jaise hum bhi agar chale jaayenge na toh dog hamaare saath jo routine hai woh miss karte hain, humein nahin.
Speaker 10
Exactly.
Sunny
Woh wala yeh log-log bura lag sakta hai. Woh humein miss nahin, woh hamaare saath jo routine hai, jo hamaare saath time hai, woh miss karte hain.
Agar unko dobaara woh mil jaaye, they will let-let us go. Hai na? Woh pakad-pakad ke nahin rakhte. They-they look towards more. Woh aisa nahin ki woh sochte hain ki woh philosopher philosophical hai, aisa nahin hai. Unka nature hai. Haan, ki woh ki ab chalo achhe ki taraf dekhein. Aisa nahin hai.
Ki chalo abhi bure ki taraf dekhein. Aisa nahin hai. Unka nature hai move forward. Unka nature hai. Hai na? Ki jo abhi kar sakte hain, woh kar lete hain. Yeh bhi soch ke nahin. Unki matlab nature hai, unke instincts hai, by default hai. Humein laana padta hai, humein seekhna padta hai yeh sab cheezein.
Toh that is the difference. Hai na? Dog ko nahin seekhna padta. Woh by birth hi aise hote hain. Woh let go karne ke liye tatpar rehte hain, aage rehte hain aur hum let go karne ke liye backward rehte hain insaan. Hai na? Because toh woh attachment ko chhodne ke liye hamesha ready hote hain.
Woh apni life ko chhodne ke liye bhi aakhiri dam tak ladenge, lekin ready hote hain. Haan, ready hote hain aur woh death ko aise-aise nahin dekhte hain something is bad thing is happening. Woh process ki tarah dekhte hain usko. This is yeh hai, yeh hota hai kind of thing. Hai na?
Yeh hota hai, yeh hota hai, yeh ho sakta hai. That's it. Matlab it's like main aapko trans-translate karke bata raha hoon. Waise unke dimaag mein se chalta nahin hai. They, haan like this only. Hai na?
Vayu
Sunny ek question hai isi pe ki abhi aapke, aapke dog ke case mein human intervention hai, right? Jaise ki aap the, aap aapke, aapke dog ko everyday feed karte ho. So she was in aur jab puppy mar gaya toh then you said ki woh wahaan pe hi rakhi thi. Aapne baad mein gaddha khoda. Baad matlab process aapne complete ki.
Toh jahaan pe dog ka koi nahin hai, it's a street dog jungle mein reh rahe wagairah pahaadon mein.
Toh wahaan pe toh usko roz khaana nahin milega. Woh bhookhi rahegi and on top of that usko struggle karni padegi every day khaane ke liye. Aur phir jab woh janam degi kyunki because of the labor and everything she will feel more like aur hungry ho jaayegi woh.
Toh us case mein agar samjho yeh puppy agar dead paida hua hota toh kya woh usko lekar baithti ya phir woh because of natural thing woh usko kha bhi sakti thi wahaan pe instead of agar human ko isme se hata diya jaaye.
Sunny
So jaise agar suppose jungle mein dogs hote nahin. Hai na? Dog generally human ke establishment ke aaspaas hote hain. Agar free roaming hai. Hai na? Human ke establishment ke aaspaas ke jahaan par food ka source hai. Hai na?
Toh bhale hi woh pregnant ho ya nahin ho, dog jan-dog naturally food ke source ke paas aakar jamaawda laga lete hain. Woh koi aisi jagah nahin rehte jahaan par food woh nahin hai. Jahaan par woh scavenge kar sakein. So yeh cheez final kar lete hain ki haan bhai ek scavenging ki jagah ke paas hoti.
Aise nahin bilkul veeraan mein nahin hoti, kuch bhi nahin mil raha usko. Woh ek scavenging ki jagah ke paas hoti. Ab woh scavenging ki jagah ke paas hai aur usne bachha diya wahaan par.
Okay, aur usne usko baahar jaana hai ya phir usko kuch khaana lene jaana hai aur woh usko threat lag rahi hai toh ho sakta hai woh usi bachhe ko kha jaaye. Aur yeh bhi ho sakta hai ki woh apne baaki bachhon ko utha ke kahin aur bhi le jaaye. So it's, it's completely situation par depend hai. Woh kha bhi sakti hai.
Woh kha bhi sakti hai apne nutrition ko poora karne ke liye. Kyunki aur kya karegi? Wahaan pade rahega. Ab kya karega woh? Hai na? Waapas toh like ganda karega. Then ganda karega.
Speaker 10
Predators se bachaane ke liye bhi karte hain na mothers sab. Predators se bachaane ke liye bhi jab smell bahut skitty, jab ki smell zyada rehti hai toh- Predators bhi aayenge.
Sunny
Bahut, bahut kharaab cheez hai. Dead body bahut kharaab cheez hai na. Matlab bahut kharaab cheezein ho sakti hain.
So wo toh ya toh apni jagah badlegi ya usko khatam karegi, kha jayegi. Kha jayegi usko. Toh aise pade hi nahi rehne degi. Ya toh wahan se hat jayegi ya kha jayegi. Aur char bacche hain, paanch bacche hain toh kahan jayegi? Toh usko ya toh usko utha ke kahin aur phenk aayegi. But wo apne den mein nahi rehne degi. Okay.
Toh dog hata bhi sakte hain, cheezein nikaal bhi sakte hain apne, bahar bhi lekar ja sakte hain aur cheezein lekar bhi aa sakte hain apne den ke andar. cool hai? That's it guys aaj ke liye. memory baaki reh gayi. Semantic memory, special memory, episodic-like memory dobara karenge. Lekin aaj ke liye itna hi. Okay.
Okay, thank you guys for joining. Maza aaya bohot.
Speaker 10
Thank you. Thank you everyone.
Sunny
Yeah. Okay. Bye-bye.
Speaker 10
Thank you. Bye.
Sunny
Yeah bye. Bye.
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