Pro group call · Fri 31 Jul 2026 · 36 min

Board and train, dog intensity levels, and stray-dog introductions

Name: OhMyDog Rocks: Dog Behaviour Consultations
Price range: ₹₹

Sunny Luthra led a wide-ranging Pro call explaining that board and train is really about dog-human compatibility, not a fixed package for specific issues, and walked through how to assess a dog's true energy baseline versus pent-up energy. The discussion covered how suppressed emotion and lack of guidance can raise a dog's intensity, how overexcitement can push adrenal glands into overdrive, and how to judge exercise needs from body type and behaviour on the walk. Members brought real cases, including a reactive lunge during a trip, two housemates who started fighting after a growth spurt, and how to safely introduce a dog to aggressive community strays. The call ended with Sunny sharing an unfinished story about rescuing a calf from his pack of dogs.

Key points (6)

Board and train is determined by dog-human compatibility, not by the type of issue such as resource guarding or leash reactivity.
Every dog has a natural energy baseline that can rise above or fall below itself depending on containment, exercise and stimulation.
Pent-up energy from lack of outlets can make a low or medium intensity dog behave like a high or hyper dog.
Overexposure to pure excitement pushes a dog's adrenal glands into overdrive, harming digestion and long-term health.
Without proper guidance, extra exercise alone can increase reactivity or territorial behaviour instead of calming a dog.
When introducing a dog to strays, the dog you are handling comes first, and friendship with strays should be built gradually and separately.

On the call: Sunny, Manya, Srijana, Farid, Parish, Kashish, Kashish Bhatia, speaker_4
Topics: training board and train structure leash handling reactivity aggression body language walking

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Sunny
dimag mein ek authoritative figure nahi ho. getting a point. yaa. so agar client se milne ja rahe ho, client se baat kar rahe ho toh sabse pehle advice dene se pehle dog ko walk par lekar jaake uski intensity check karke and then proof dekar we will tell and then we will show them how to do that.
uske baad jab humein samajh mein aata hai ki inki intensity yahi hai then board and train ka wo aata hai ya phir multiple sessions ka aata hai. you will lead them step by step but not through instincts wise. kyunki instinct develop karne mein time lagta hai, practice lagti hai aur wo dedication lagta hai.
agar yeh easy hota toh sabke paas develop ho chuki hoti instincts kya hoti hai. toh it's not easy thing. it's not a like kind of thing jo hum expect kar sakte hain client se. toh hum client se bahut kam expect karte hain aur zyada show karna hum unko prefer karte hain.
okay. board and train kaise karenge? aur yahin se board and train ka concept aata hai. board and train ka concept dog se related nahi hota. board and train ka concept dog aur human ki compatibility se related hota hai.
ki jo human hai wo dog, ab wo dog ka issue chhota hyper bhi ho sakta hai, simple sa issue ho sakta hai. lekin tumhein samajh mein aa gaya ki yeh human iske liye compatible nahi hai. okay then aur wahi issue khatarnak bhi ho sakta hai. lekin tumhein samajh mein aaya ki human compatible hai wo kar lega.
so there is no board and train ka. so yeh ek jo galti dikhti hai mujhe aaj ke trainers and behaviorist mein wo package bana lete hain. resource guarding is board and train. nahi aisa nahi hota. resource guarding is not equal to board and train. leash reactivity is equal to board and train.
no leash reactivity is not board and is not equal to board and train.
human aur dog ki compatibility is board and train. ki jab board and train ka matlab kya hai? jab hum dog ko us environment se hatate hain aur ek, ek neutral environment mein lekar jaate hain aur us neutral environment mein usko uske saath behave karte hain, uski ek nayi habit lekar aate hain.
then waapas se usko puraane environment mein laate hain and then phir wahan se work karna start karte hain. this way dog ki intensity tune down hoti hai. ek new habit in process hoti hai building ki and then phir wahan se human takeover hota hai. hum unko guidance dete hain daily basis par kya karna chahiye.
so wo daily basis par job karte hain usse kya hota hai? human ki habit create hoti hai aur dog ki. hum jo usko daily basis par jo cheez usko karne ke liye dete hain na hamara perspective dog ki habit create karna nahi hota. human ki habit create karna hota hai. kyunki dog mein issues kaun laaya?
human ki habit. okay so hamara focus strategy dene ke time kya hoga? human ki habit humein create karni hai. then secondary dog ki habit. but dog ki habit human ke habits se go through hogi. getting my point. agar aapki strategy kya hogi? human ki habit se dog ki habit go through hogi.
human ki habit create ho rahi hai aur usmein secondary dog ki habit create ho rahi hai. that's how we tell the strategy. so board and train tum dekhoge aaj ke time par kisi bhi trainer ko bolo, kisi bhi behaviorist ko bolo wo tumhein access nahi, tumhein assess nahi karega. tumhare dog ko assess nahi karega.
tumse issues sunega. tumse बोलेगा leash and train hai toh leash, leash par reactivity hai toh wo kya bolega board and train ka package. but asliyat mein kya hona chahiye assessment.
assessment, assessment of what? assessment of the dog, then assessment of the human, then assessment of both. jo both ki compatibility hai agar wo compatible nahi hai then board and train. then us tareeqe se hum phir instinct aur yeh sab cheezein solve karte hain.
humein human ko sikhaane ki zaroorat nahi hoti us samay par. hum unko oopar ki skills sikhaate hain. walk kaise karaana hai, discipline kaise dena hai. okay feeding kaise karaana hai. okay affection kaise dena hai, play kaise karna hai.
jo rituals hain jinke baare mein main like course exam bhi tumhara loonga aur tumse poochhoonga bhi ise ki kaise wo hoga. kyunki maine kai baar classes mein uska naam liya so that will be the extra thing. yes Manya.
Manya
yes so mera yeh question tha ki jaise intensity kam karni ho toh hum walk par lekar jaate hain.
toh waise koi reason ki wajah se intensity badh bhi sakti hai right. like agar low to medium dog intensity ka dog ho toh agar use anxiety aa gayi ya bahut stressful hua toh wo badh bhi sakti hai right.
Sunny
badh bhi sakta hai, badh bhi sakta hai. intensity badh sakti hai.
Manya
ya.
Sunny
intensity is the condensation of the emotion. jo uski intensity hai na. ab suppose kar le emotion wo bhar ke rakha hua hai. wo release nahi ho raha toh kya ho raha hai condense hota ja raha hai emotion. wo mass banta ja raha hai. so that is the intensity. wo burst hoga in humans as well.
suppose hum emotions ko daba ke rakhte hain, daba ke rakhte hain, daba ke rakhte hain. ek din kya hota hai? toh burst hota hai. lekin hamari habit kya ban jaati hai usko dabaane ki, dabaane ki, dabaane ki, phir burst dabaane ki, dabaane ki. then toh this way wo dogs ke saath bhi work karta hai. kaise work karta hai?
dog chaar deewaari ke peeche rehta hai.
wo apne aap ko itna express karne ke uske paas options nahi hote aur uske andar ek animal hai aur ek animal ko freedom chahiye hota hai. see humans ko bhi freedom chahiye hota hai aur animals ko bhi freedom chahiye hota. freedom ka matlab kya hai? this nature ko experience karna. nature ke saath inclusion.
okay that is freedom for them. nature ke saath kya inclusion? nature ke inclusion ka matlab kya hai? ghaas, ped, chalna, bhaagna, patthar koodna yeh dog ka wo hai. ek gaay ka kya, gaay ka kya hoga? charna, ghaas, ghaas dhoondhna, apne wahan, wahan is tareeqe se bolna yeh unka wo rahega.
chaar deewaari mein khade reh ke band rehna nahi. ek chidiya ka kya hoga? udna. okay na. ghosle banana, ped par jaakar baithna.
agar hum usko wo sab nahi de rahe, sirf usko udna de rahe lekin ped nahi de rahe toh phir kya? wo inclusion nahi hai. nature ka inclusion nahi hai. unki intensity badhti jaayegi. unka emotion dabta jaayega, depress hote jaayenge. so yeh dog ke saath bhi hota hai.
so low medium dog hai, chaar deewaari ke peeche hai lekin usko wo outing nahi mil rahi. uski intensity increase hoti jaayegi. aur agar aur yahi isiliye hum run dete hain dogs ko. kyun run dete hain? kyunki humans utni exercise provide hi nahi kar raha hota hai us dog ko jitni usko chahiye hoti hogi.
toh uski intensity aur isko hum kya bolte hain pent up energy. Okay pent up energy isko hum kya bolte hain pent up energy. toh pent up energy kya? o bhai wo naturally is energy se born nahi hua tha. jaise bahut saare dog natural born hote hain jinke andar high rehta hai. Like let's do something yaar kuchh karte hain.
Iss tareeqe se rehte hain wo dogs. Hai na idhar-udhar rehte hain. Lekin agar wo iss cheez ko hold karne lag jaayenge toh iske andar frustration add hone lag jaati hai. Wo pent up energy hai. So walk se running se hum wo pent up energy hataate hain toh phir uska wo work waala aata hai.
Phir uske baad hum usko work dete hain. Ki haan ye dog ek high energy ka dog hai toh usko work dena chahiye. Toh iss tareeqe se ek intensity badh bhi sakti hai aur kam bhi ho sakti hai. Kam bhi ho, lekin dog ek intensity ke saath paida bhi hote hain. Okay intensity ke saath paida bhi hote hain.
So ek level ke saath paida hote hain wo. Wo uss level par wo naturally rehte hain aur wo level ek baseline hai. Ab wo baseline se upar bhi jaa sakte hain aur baseline se neeche bhi jaa sakte hain. Baseline se upar kaise jaa sakte hain?
Jab chaar deewaarein ke peeche contained rehte hain, wo baseline se upar chale jaate hain. Baseline ke neeche kaise jaate hain? Baseline ke neeche jab hum unko extra exercise de dete hain, extra stimulation de dete hain, extra unke mind ko istemaal karne ke options de dete hain toh baseline se neeche chale jaate hain.
So agar ek dog hyper hai aur aap usko uss baseline par nahi rakhna chahte toh hum usko high intensity waale games dete hain, agility dete hain, running dete hain toh hum usko baseline ke neeche rakhte hain. Kyunki wo baseline humari life ke liye appropriate nahi hai. Getting my point? So bahut se dog high...
dogs kitni energy ke paida hote hain low, medium, high and hyper. Humne aise categorize kar rakha hai dog ko low, medium samajhne ke liye. Wo toh iss spectrum mein paida hote hain. Koi machine toh hai nahi ki bhai ye, ye 0.1, 0.2 aisa nahi hai. Wo ek spectrum hai.
Toh low, medium, high and hyper uss spectrum ka division hai. Iss poore spectrum mein wo kahin par bhi ho sakte hain. Toh high and hyper gharon ke liye mushkil hote hain dogs. Lekin bahut se logon ko lagta hai ki mera dog toh high hai. Wo high hai ya phir medium hai aur pent up energy hui hai.
Okay agar aapne usko poora nahi diya. Agar hum, hum, hum usko din bhar ghar mein rakhte hain. Log, ye bahut saare clients humse bolte hain. Kya bolte hain? Humara dog high hai. Jab hum milne jaate hain toh low medium hota hai.
Toh bahut se logon ko kya lagta hai ki unka dog high hai, hyper hai, lekin wo hai kya asliyat mein low medium. Kyun high aur hyper ki tarah behave kar raha hai? Kyunki itne time se usko jo outlet milna chahiye tha wo outlet nahi mil raha tha jisse energy pent up hogi aur uski baseline up ho gayi.
Wo baseline se up chala gaya. Lekin uski baseline neeche thi. Toh hai low, low medium type lekin behave kar raha hai high aur hyper ki tarah. Why? Because daily basis par uski needs poori nahi hoti. Needs kaun si thi? Running ki, walking ki, playing ki jitna usko chahiye. Toh wo apne baseline se upar chala gaya.
Lekin, lekin wo baseline wo, wo uski natural self nahi hai.
Uski natural self neeche thi. Toh humein ye samajhna padta hai jab log bolte hain toh. Toh hum jab usko exercise dete hain tab humein samajh mein aata hai uski natural baseline kidhar hai, wo kis level par hai. Agar wo phir bhi high baseline par dikhta hai humein toh hum phir usko uss tareeqe se strategy banaate hain.
Kyunki humein high baseline se neeche lekar aana hota hai usko. So daily basis par zyaada exercise, zyaada play then wo ghar mein reh sakta hai. Otherwise wo nahi reh, nahi reh paayega. Okay yes Farid ji.
Manya
Ek, ek aur mujhe question tha iske saath mein.
Sunny
Ya Manya. Farid ji.
Manya
So aapne bola ki contain hote hain tab intensity uski wajah se badh sakti hai. So like agar over exposure de diya toh bhi badh sakti hai right?
Sunny
Over exposure kis tareeqe ka hai, uss par depend karta hai. Suppose over exposure excitement tareeqe ka hai then it is a problem.
Why? Your treat matlab agar jaise dog ko over exposure milta hai. Bahut se dog ko sirf excitement, excitement, excitement, excitement. Toh unka mind overdrive mein jaata hai which is very dangerous for their health. Okay it's not from only mental perspective. Wo unki poori body ke liye hota hai.
Jab dog ka mind overdrive mein jaata hai because of excitement. For example jitne bhi mostly gharon mein aap Labrador dekhoge, Retriever dekhoge, cute looking dogs dekhoge, wo bahut zyaada excited milenge. Okay aur logon ko lagta hai ki mera dog toh aisa hi excited hi hai. Lekin wo aisa kaise ho gaya?
Bachpan se hi uss dog ke saath jo human behave karte aa rahe the, wo sirf excitement se behave kar rahe the. Every time jab bhi dog aata hai hi baby, hello baby, hello baby and full excitement apni energy ko uss par release kar rahe the.
That is overstimulation. Jab usse dog overdrive mein jaata hai, iss tareeqe ki stimulation se overdrive mein jaata hai toh unke adrenal glands hote hain, adrenal glands aur adrenal glands bane hote hain particular level par chalne ke liye.
Hai na wo body ko taakat dete hain, body ko aage badhne ki kshamta dete hain, khaane ko pachaate hain aur digestive enzymes ko bhi release karne mein madad karte hain pancreas se. So adrenal vitamin C produce hota hai vitamin C. So it's a big thing adrenal glands ke liye. Adrenal glands anxiety ko tune down karte hain.
Agar jaise suppose kar lo humare adrenal, adrenal gland jab high... bahut si ladkiyon mein problem hai. Matlab female mein India ke uss, ussmein jo research aayi thi ki adrenal glands overdrive, overdrive mein hai.
Ladkiyon ke females, females ke toh anxiety ke issues zyaada because of adrenal glands overdrive. So jab iske andar adrenal glands overdrive rehta hai uski age kam ho jaati hai. Uske digestive system over a period time kharaab hone lag jaate hain. Pancreas disturb hone lag jaate hain.
Unke yahan hamesha heat hoti hai, vomiting badh jaati hai because of adrenal glands overdrive work karte hain. And that happens because of excitement. Wo kharaab hai Manya. Okay wo kharaab hai. Stimulation, stimulation ki jo aap baat kar rahe ho, wo energy par depend karta hai ki dog ki mind kya practice kar raha hai.
Dog ka mind calmness practice kar raha hai, confidence practice kar raha hai, focus practice kar raha hai ya phir anxie... anxiety aur excitement practice kar raha hai. So that is the difference ki aap, aap, aap soch rahe ho ki aap uski energy ko release kar rahe ho by excitement nahi aisa nahi hai.
Wo ek wrong approach, wrong approach hai. Okay so matter karta hai ki hum kis tareeqe ke stimulation de rahe hain dog ko.
Manya
Abhi like recently yeh Betty ke saath hua tha ki hum log use lekar gaye the Lonavala. So, wahan par hum log ek stay mein rahe the so wahan par usko rakha tha but she was anxious matlab, matlab thode time ke baad wo settle ho gayi.
But phir jab hum usko baahar outdoors lekar gaye matlab mountain areas the wahan par toh wahan par bhi wo thoda anxious thi. Aur ek baar aisa hua ki bahut top par the hum log so aas-paas koi dog nahi tha. But achaanak se ek dog usko dekh gaya aur phir wo itni, itni high intensity se usne uske upar react kiya.
Matlab itna ekdam poora sab kuch uske upar hi nikaal diya.
Sunny
Toh jab uske upar attack kiya doosre dog ke upar toh doosre matlab phir kya hua? Matlab woh attack ruk gaya, ekdum ruk gayi ya phir ladayi chalti rahi. Kaisa hua?
Manya
Nahin, nahin matlab, matlab woh chhooti nahin thi. Woh haath mein hi thi hamare. But woh itna ganda lunge kar rahi thi.
Sunny
Okay, okay, okay. Mujhe laga off leash thi.
Manya
Nahin, nahin, nahin off leash nahin thi. Matlab maine usko kaafi time redirect karne ki bhi try ki but woh bahut hi zyada intensely uske upar react kar rahi thi.
Sunny
That is because woh usse pehle hi bahut unsure state mein thi. Jaise kahin jaise abhi suppose karo Betty hai. Usko experience nahin hai pahaad ka, aise baahar jaane ka ya phir kam jaate hain, kam outings hoti hain. Usko experience nahin, exposure nahin hai is cheez ka. Toh woh, woh waise bhi unsure rehti hai.
Betty agar dekhein toh ghar mein bhi jaise thodi anxiety aur unsure rehti hai toh aise dogs ke saath hota hai.
Jo dogs naturally unsure hote hain, har cheez ke taraf cautious hote hain toh koi bhi nayi jagah jaate hain toh woh unsure honge. So us unsurety par agar kuch aisa trigger aa gaya jo uske andar insecurity ko increase kar dega aur woh kahin bhaagne ke liye nahin hai toh woh attack ho jayega.
Woh bahut zyada intensity ke saath niklega. Isliye maine poocha tha ki usne jaakar attack kiya, woh ekdum ruk gayi ya phir kya hua? So woh leash par nahin hoti tab tumhe uska real, real behavior samajh mein aata hai ki actual mein kya kar rahi hai woh.
Actual mein attack karna cha rahi hai ya actual mein door jaana cha rahi hai ya actual mein chhupna cha rahi hai. Ho kya raha hai yahan par? Leash par woh different behave karegi, without leash woh different behave karegi.
Lekin agar hum shuruat mein usko leash par rakhte aur uski unsurety ko apne paas close us par rakhte aur usko unsure nahin hone dete.
Kyunki humne shuruat mein kya kiya usko unsure hone diya. Jab woh idhar-udhar dekh rahi thi, we were okay ki woh idhar-udhar dekh rahi hai, it's okay. Hai na, woh apne aap settle down ho jayegi. Yeh hamara mindset tha. Lekin woh mindset bhi theek tha.
Lekin us samay agar aisa trigger, trigger aa gaya toh mindset hamare liye galat saabit ho gaya. Woh already unsure thi. Iski wajah se woh aur unsure ho gayi and then woh reactivity aa gayi. Getting my point kya problem, kya problem hui?
So leash ka, leash ka ek dikkat tha aur uski unsurety ko humne confidence mein convert nahin kiya. Woh ek issue tha. Okay. Yes, Perish ji.
Speaker 3
Sunny abhi hum intensity ki baat kar rahe hain toh my question is on a general terms kitni exercise ya kitna run hona chahiye? How we will figure out ki abhi energy exhaust ho gayi hai dog ki?
Sunny
Woh dog ke walk, dog ke saath walk karne ke baad hi pata chalti hai, pehle nahin. Jab aap-- kyunki aapko koi idea nahin hai kya pent up energy hai, kya baseline hai uski. Aap uski aankhon se thoda idea le sakte ho ki haan yaar yeh ek aur uski body type se kya uski energy type hai.
Hai na, so generally body type se jab aap ek dog ko body type dekhoge toh ek high se hyper walon ka pet andar ki taraf hota hai naturally. Unka chest thoda bada hota hai aur unki body light hoti hai. Jo thode high se hyper ki taraf jaate hain, unki body thodi light hoti hai. So is tareeqe se hum ek, ek basic se.
Lekin kitni exercise chahiye? Toh jab hum unke saath walk par jaate hain, unka body language kaise-kaise change hota hai jab hum unko aage badhte rehte hain. Toh for example, agar hum unko walk par lekar ja rahe hain 45 minutes ke baad bhi woh like they are walking like this, they need more.
They need more. So jab mera, jab main pehli baar kisi dog ke paas, dog ke saath jaata hoon toh uska jaise abhi haal filhaal kahin par gaya aur uska pet thoda baahar ki taraf hai aur yeh kiya toh maine client se kya bola ki 15-20 minutes ki baat hai. 15-20 minutes mein main aa jaunga.
Okay, ek aur case ke upar gaya jiska pet ekdum andar tha and dog is like this. Toh maine unse kya bola ek se dedh ghanta lagega. Okay, ek se dedh. Lekin usse pehle bhi aa sakta hoon. Ek se dedh ghanta, ek se dedh ghanta lagega.
So dog kyunki woh pent up energy hai, woh poora move ho raha hai, uska pet andar hai and he is ready to go. So if he is ready to go chal bhai ready to go. So usko aur ek baar aur so is tareeqe se like humein ek basic idea ho jaata hai.
Lekin exactly kitna time lagega woh hum pehli baar walk ke paas jab jaate hain usko toh dog ki body language change hone lag jaati hai.
Uski walk slow down hone lag jaati hai aur phir woh thoda baithne ki karna start kar deta hai. Lekin bahut se dogs aise bhi karte hain jo baithne ki karte hain aur yeh sab karte hain aur paanch minute ke baad waapas se they are ready.
So humein yeh samajhna hota hai ki yaar yeh, yeh faaltu ka time le raha hai, faaltu ke maze le raha hai, iska woh nahin hua. Toh humein antar samajh mein aane lag jaata hai wahan par.
Lekin humein unko chance dena hota hai ki woh is tarah, humein antar samajh mein aane lag jaata hai ki yaar yeh asliyat mein thaka hua nahin hai. Yeh jaise baithne ke woh kar raha hai ki yeh baithega jaakar. Lekin woh thaka hua nahin hai kyunki paanch minute ke baad he is phir ready chalne ke liye.
So har dog ka different hota hai. During the walk you understand. Ek walk ke baad multiple walks ke baad you understand ki isko kitna lagega. So isliye bolte hain 45 se 1 ghanta tak lag sakta hai. 30 se 45 minutes ke beech mein se lag sakta hai. Dedh ghanta type, type lag sakta hai.
Toh over a period tumhe understanding hone lag jaati hai.
Dog ki leash pakdoge, dog ko dekhoge, tumhe samajh mein aane lag jayega ki yaar isko, usko mehsoos karoge uski oorja ko toh tumhe samajh mein aayega ki yaar yeh itni intensity phenk raha hai tumhari taraf. Yeh itna intense hai abhi is, is jagah par toh isko kitna lagne wala hai. So you will start understanding.
But shuruat mein you will be like usko run par lekar jaoge and then you will understand ki kitna, kitna time lagega usko. Okay, so 45 se 60 minutes samajh ke rakhna kisi bhi us par ho gaye. Perish Mehraj has left the call. Yes, Kashish ji.
Srijana
So maybe a funny question is it possible? Let's say we have a dog and uski abhi tak pent up energy hai right aur ab hum usko real world scenarios mein ya humein jitne bhi cheez usko provide kar rahe hain uske structure jo usko provide hona chahiye woh ek baseline structure tha.
Ab suddenly he is getting the apt amount of structure he should be getting and he turns out to be a high intensity aur woh apni intensity zyada show karne lag jaye us time pe. Is it possible to see such cases?
Sunny
Yeah such cases woh like suppose kar lo ki protest mein kar sakta hai aisa agar usse kuch uski aadat ho gayi jaise suppose kar lo uski aadat ho gayi hai ki bhai walk pe nahin jaata ya walk pe woh insecure hota hai. Walk pe woh darta hai aur lekin uske andar pent up energy aayi ja rahi hai.
Ab usko aapko usko dena toh hai hi sahi pent up baahar toh lekar jaana hi hai. Ab aap usko baahar lekar ja rahe ho lekin aap thodi mistake kar rahe ho. Okay aap usko baahar le jaane mein kya mistake kar rahe ho? Aap woh guidance provide nahin kar pa rahe ho jo usko guidance chahiye.
Guidance kaise provide nahin kar pa rahe ho. Suppose kar lo woh darta hai toh agar aap usko guidance provide nahin kar rahe ho toh woh ghar mein aakar bhi dara hua rahega aur jab ghar mein aakar woh dara hua rahega toh woh darr kahan par hai.
Wo chaardivaari ke peeche hai. So jab dar ek chaardivaari ke peeche aata hai toh uske paas flight ka option nahi bachta hai. Okay flight ka option toh jab uske fight, flight, avoid, submission chaar stages okay uske paas flight ka option nahi bachta. Uske paas kya bachega avoid aur submission.
Lekin agar dara hua hai aur uski intensity high hui bhi hai toh wo kya choose kar sakta hai fight. So agar aap usko provide kar rahe ho saari cheez lekin usko aap bol rahe ho ki aap usko walk pe lekar ja rahe ho, run pe lekar ja rahe ho lekin wo uske fear par work nahi kar rahe.
Toh abhi aur darta ja raha hai toh wo ghar ke andar aakar more territorial behavior dikhayega. Okay more territorial behavior. Toh aap bologe yaar main toh iski exercise badhaya toh aur territorial ho gaya. Yeh toh ab aur aur bark kar raha hai.
So yeh yeh aise bhi ho sakta hai ki hum usko walk pe lekar gaye aur hum uski reactivity doosron ke upar badh rahi hai.
Hai na doosron ko hum usko control nahi kar pa rahe lekin walk toh badh raha hai uska walk toh badh raha hai. Ab doosron par wo jab reactivity badha raha hai toh wo kya practice kar raha hai reactivity. So jab wo ghar mein aayega toh uski reactivity kya hogi? Badhi hui hogi.
So sirf is tareeke se provide karna important nahi hai. Guidance wo zyada zaroori hai. So hum guidance provide kar paate nahi kar paate.
During all this during all the activity aap walk provide kar rahe ho, aap running provide kar rahe ho, acchi meal provide kar rahe ho lekin uske saath guidance mil rahi hai ki nahi mil rahi.
So agar usko guidance nahi mil rahi, wo khud se kuch bhi choose karega aur jo bhi wo khud se choose karega uski ek habit create hogi aur wo habit aapko day to day life mein dekhne ko milegi.
So wo lunging bhi increase ho sakti hai, territorial behavior bhi increase ho sakta, sab increase ho sakta hai agar guidance ki problem hai toh. So aise cases mein humein dekhna hota hai ki aap kaise guide kar rahe ho.
Wo jab aise karta hai toh phir aap kaise behave karte ho. Jab wo aise karta hai toh phir aap wo kaise behave karte ho. Phir humein wahan figure out karna hota hai unko. Okay got it.
Srijana
Okay toh basically agar hum usko poora structure aur guidance de rahe hain toh there is a very less chance ki uski suddenly aisa aisa ek dog nikal gaya hai jo pehle itna intense nahi tha aur baad mein yeh bhi given intense.
Sunny
There is zero chance.
Srijana
Okay okay.
Sunny
There is not kuch zara sa chance bhi nahi. There is a zero chance. Agar aap uski agar aap uski need poori kar rahe ho, usko guidance de rahe ho toh uska behavior intense nahi hoga. Tune down hoga.
Srijana
Okay.
Sunny
It's a law okay that's a complete law. Agar kahin par galti ho rahi hai toh wo phir humare mein galti ho rahi hai.
Srijana
Theek hai.
Sunny
Okay humari guidance mein ya phir hum uski need poori karne mein galti ho rahi toh hum is tareeke se sochenge phir. Okay.
Srijana
All right got it.
Sunny
Yeah okay. Yes Srijana ji. Okay let's say.
Srijana
Exactly on the same lines abhi jo aapne bataya guidance ke liye so Sheru and Wolfie okay when they were puppy Sheru when Wolfie was smaller than puppy in size so they were fine. Theek hai toh humne bachpan se Wolfie ko alternate day he goes to a farm.
There is a canine trainer who trains her on leash and whatever uska poora exercise hota hai so alternate day pe and then she comes back home. But as soon as Wolfie hit a certain height like a little bit taller than Sheru, jab se wo farm se aane lagi thi she started snapping on Sheru.
So they both go on walks three times a day.
You know food, diet everything is taken care of. So I just want to know abhi tak abhi tak like we can't leave them together in the same room. So I did something wrong. But I want to figure out like what must I like I do. I really don't know what I have done wrong.
Sunny
So so wo snapping hoti hai toh phir wo kaise behave karta hai uske baad snap jab karti hai wo.
Srijana
So Sheru is like in a regular dog term he is an alpha dog. Theek hai he is quiet he is nothing like aise kuch bark nahi karta hai. But he is a very strong dog. Wolfie was a puppy so Wolfie jab puppy tha then I read that jaise mummy usko correct karti hai like they will growl at him.
So I let Sheru do that jab wo correct karta tha Wolfie ko jab wo overplay karta tha they were playing fine everything was fine.
Then suddenly after a certain height or I don't know exactly when Wolfie got a little bit taller than Sheru she is also more towards the alpha lines Wolfie. Toh after that they started hating each other.
Sunny
So wo wo aise kabhi bhi fight kar lete the like kabhi bhi fight.
Srijana
Pehle nahi karte the. Pehle they were like like very good friends like they used to be like you know, they used to play all the time and Sheru had also become like a puppy. So everything was fine except for when.
Sunny
Wolfie is a female. Both are male Wolfie is female.
Srijana
She is a male yes.
Sunny
So Wolfie is snapping, snapping on Sheru.
Srijana
Sheru yeah yeah.
Sunny
And Sheru is.
Srijana
Sheru also retaliates back then. Koi back off nahi karte.
Sunny
Okay jab retaliate accha retaliate karte hain dono ke beech mein fight continue rehti hai. It's not ki koi bhi koi bhi retaliate.
Srijana
And I get in between mein wo fight. I with you because again considering Sheru is a senior dog and Wolfie has more energy now. Toh agar wo zyada bhi kuch kar lega you know bone crack ho gaya. So I am very fearful of that aur wo healing ka time nahi dega.
Sunny
So you what you have to do. Yeah you have to share some video not matlab uski activity fight ke videos nahi but dog ke videos. Matlab dog so why I have to see ki dog ka emotional state kya hai? Jab dog ka emotional state samajhte hain tab humein samajh mein aata hai ki uske andar kya chal raha hai.
So agar aap mujhe videos de paoge aapke dog ke Sheru I think aapne share nahi kiye hain.
Hai na koi bhi videos ke abhi tak.
Srijana
Nahi nahi.
Sunny
Baaki sab log baaki sab logon ke dogs ke main Puluska ji ne abhi join kiya hai. In sabke videos dekh chuka hoon main dogs ke. So you have to share videos of your dogs any bas ek ek video share kar dijiye so that I can understand ki unki body type kya hai, unka emotional type kya hai aur unki energy type kya hai.
Then uske baad main aur deeply aapko bata paunga ki wo kya kar rahe hain ek doosre ke saath. Okay.
Srijana
Right sir.
Sunny
Cool hai.
Srijana
Theek hai. I don't have any fight wala video because fight mein toh.
Sunny
No, no, not fight wala. Not fight wala.
Srijana
Okay.
Sunny
Unki emotional baseline kya hai aur unki energy baseline. Toh koi bhi videos bhej dijiye. Bas usmein mujhe dog dikhna chahiye ki wo kya kar raha hai.
Srijana
Sure.
Sunny
Okay.
Srijana
Sure sir. Okay, okay. Done, done. Thank you so much.
Sunny
Yeh bhej dijiyega. So I will ya phir uske baad I will tell you more. Okay. Cool hai. Yes so last things main le raha hoon abhi.
Okay fast pace call tha aur Kashish Bhatia ji kuch chat message bhej rahe hain. Yaar tum kidhar ho? Chat main phone par pehli baar aa raha hoon toh mujhe thoda dekhne mein problem ho rahi hai. Maine kabhi phone use nahi kiya tha. Are kidhar hai iska chat kaise dekhte hain? Haan mil gaya.
Okay so Sunny bhai let's say I took my dog for a walk he gets surrounded by strays. Should I leave him on a loose leash? Nahi, nahi, nahi. Or pull him back? Would it get it more stressful?
So jaise jaise agar dog aapke paas aapke saath hai aur bahut saare stray dog ne surround kar liya hai toh ek haath se humein apne dog ko hold karna chahiye aur ek haath humein aise bada karna chahiye aur poore stray dogs ko peeche bhejna chahiye. So humein apne dog ke saath work karna chahiye.
Agar ki yeah so humein apne dog ke saath work karna chahiye ki hum doosre saare dogs ko ek saath ek saath saamne lekar aayein aur unko unko peeche bhejein.
So humein apna doosra haath use karna hota hai and then phir saare strays ko peeche bhejna hota hai. Humein apne dog ko off leash nahi karna fight ho sakti hai.
Toh puraane video mein kisi ne Instagram ka video kuch share kiya tha aur poocha tha ki main kuch nahi share kiya tha ki main kaise behave karta yahan par jismein dogs attack ho rahe the. Isi community mein tha I think so. Hai na jismein maine right Parth?
Srijana
Kunal ne share kiya tha.
Sunny
Achha Kunal ne share kiya tha ki yahan par aap kaise behave karte. So us us samay par woh attack kar raha tha. Ek hi dog tha. Woh attack kar raha tha aur woh aapko nahi us insaan ko nahi dekh raha tha. Uska poora ka poora focus dog ke oopar tha.
So hum wahan par maine bola tha leash chhod do, dono haath se usko pakad lo aur oopar utha lo. Toh is tareeqe se aap kar sakte ho. Lekin Kashish jaise aap bata rahe ho usmein humein leash nahi chhodni hoti.
Dog ko apne paas lekar aana hota hai aur ek haath se baaki strays ko peeche bhejna hota hai. Like aise bada haath karna hota hai aur woh bade haath strays generally respectful hote hain humans ke liye. Aur woh ek pet dog tha, ghar ka domesticated dog tha. Woh respectful nahi hota hai.
Depend karta hai human jo usko raise kar raha hai. Agar woh unki taraf bhi respectful nahi hai toh phir aapki taraf bhi respectful nahi hoga. Okay. So that's how we can strays ke saath toh bahut easy hota hai. Log darte hain strays mein because knowledge ki woh issue hai.
Lekin strays ke saath bahut easy hota hai kyunki strays naturally jo human hote hain unko respect karte hain. Fearful humans ko nahi lekin woh generally humans ko respect karte hain. So unki jaldi sunte hain. Jaldi sunte hain, jaldi door hote hain, jaldi shaant bhi hote hain. Okay.
Speaker 5
Sunny bhai basically sorry cheez yeh hai ki in my area there are like three community dogs aur unse mujhe Bosco ka friendship karwane mein it almost took me eight to nine months.
Pehle maine matlab they are a bit aggressive aur humare area mein aisa hai they have bitten up like 400 plus people right.
Sunny
Are baap re.
Speaker 5
Unke unke bite case bahut zyada hai. But with me, with me, with my wife, with my dog they are like very friendly because woh time lagaya maine friendship generate karne mein, banane mein. So eight to nine months.
Sunny
Woh dogs grow grew up hue ek hostile environment mein? Matlab hostile environment hai uske aas-paas?
Speaker 5
Nahi, nahi, nahi. Basically woh kya hai un dogs dono dogs ka kya teeno dogs ka kya hai ki abhi grown up hai, neutered hain dono teeno dogs right. But jahan pe woh major of the time they used to spend their time na wahan pe jo ek bachha tha let's say woh 16-17 saal ka bachha tha.
He have trained the dogs matlab buri tareeqe se ki woh koi bhi vehicle vehicle pass ho toh uske peeche bhaagna, woh pair ghisna unke peeche. So abhi har vehicle ke peeche woh dogs bhaagte hain aur almost chalte logon ko bhi aur vehicles mein bhi 400 plus almost 500, 500 logon ko kaat chuke honge do dogs milke toh.
So aggressive toh nahi hai they are very playful but yeh aadat lagi hui hai unko. Toh aath se nau mahina is a very aapko lag hi raha hoga aath se nau mahina is a very long time ki maine le liya unko friendship karwane mein. But yeh yeh case mein kya ho sakta hai ki matlab ek mera dog hai usko naye dogs dikh rahe hain.
Main naye area mein gaya hoon. Teen chaar dogs ne gher liya hai. So what is the good thing to introduce my dog with the new community dogs?
Sunny
Unke liye game ban gaya.
Speaker 5
Haan sahi.
Sunny
Very long hai.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Sunny
So wahi matlab like jo abhi sabse pehle toh protection.
Speaker 5
Dog ke saath dost karo. Humare saath woh bhi le le.
Sunny
Generally jo matlab jo bhi dosti karni hai jo dog attack hai sabse pehle woh tumhare dog ke saath hi jaanta hai. Tum khud ke saath jaanwar unko feed kar sako, unko discipline de sako, kahin bhaag rahe hain. Woh dog ke ek part hai. Unko discipline kar sakte ho. Aur yeh aapko feel hoga ki mere se woh sunne lage.
Tab aap apne dog introduce karte ho kyunki aap us samay par woh easily handle kar pao ki woh bhi aapko jaante ho aur aap bhi unko jaante ho. So then then phir jab aapka dog aayega aur ismein sabse zyada matter karta hai ki aapka dog behave kar raha ho.
Matlab woh stray khade hue aur aapka dog bhi, humara dog bhi bahut zyada bhaunk kar raha hai, bahut zyada anxious ho raha hai ya phir territorial ho raha hai then it will not work.
So dono cheezein matter karegi ki aapka dog bhi humari sun raha ho aur strays ko aap practice kar hi rahe ho tab jaake aap dosti kara sakte ho. Then dosti possible hai.
Toh dono hi jagah humein kaam karna hota hai ki humara dog bhi shaant ho and plus strays ke saath daily basis par hum kaam kar hi rahe hain toh then phir dosti easily ho jaati hai. Lekin galti kya hoti hai na hum hamesha dosti karne ke liye tabhi aate hain jab humare paas khud ke paas dog us samay present hota hai.
So woh time le sakta hai. You know woh, woh, woh time le sakta hai. Woh second stage par aata hai. Okay. I hope I answered your question well.
Speaker 5
Yes, yes but mujhe woh again ab let's say main yeh poochhna chaah raha hoon ki jaise main koi naye area mein mere dog ko lekar gaya hoon, car se utra hoon aur wahan par woh utar raha. Toh woh, woh case mein kya kiya jaaye?
Sunny
Nahi us, us case mein strays door, strays door rehne chahiye aur aapka dog aapke saath shaant hona chahiye.
Yeh hona chahiye. Dosti ka koi wahan par concept nahi hai. Agar apne area mein turant ja, aise ja rahe ho toh. Toh usmein dosti ka koi con-con, koi concept nahi hona chahiye. Woh dog ke perspective se galat hai. Agar aapke paas dog hai toh woh, woh aap expect mat karo ki aap turant unki dosti karaoge.
Matlab toh woh thodi doori honi chahiye us samay par. Us samay strays door hone chahiye. Aap strays se baat nahi kar sakte. Hi baby, hello baby kuch bhi nahi kar sakte. Woh strays door hone chahiye aapke dogs se. Agar aap kisi naye usmein, usmein ja rahe ho.
Lekin agar aap nayi jagah par shift ho rahe ho then it is a different thing. Phir aap step by step un strays se dosti kar sakte ho. Lekin agar aap ek car par gaye ho aur phir strays aapki taraf bhaag ke aa rahe hain then strays se no talking us samay par.
Kyunki us samay par jo aapke paas dog hai hum uske, sirf aapke dog ke baare mein baat nahi kar raha. Hum agar hum koi case bhi lete hain, kuch bhi lete hain humein dog se kitna bhi pyaar hai.
jo humare paas dog hai jin, jo, jinko, jisko hum handle kar rahe hain wo pehle aata hai. Kyunki dog toh phir sabhi hai na. Wo pehle aata hai. Hai na kyunki humari, wo humari responsibility hai us samay par.
Main aisa nahi bol raha strays ke saath kabhi nahi milna, lekin us samay par wo humari responsibility hai aur usko nahi chalega. Agar usko chalta hai, wo, wo ok, ok, ok ho jaata hai strays se then it is a different matter.
Phir aap unse, unse strays se phir aap baat kar sakte ho, softly ho sakte ho, lekin dekhkar ki un strays, wo strays kis tareeke se dog ke upar, dog ke saath, aapke dog ko dekh rahe hain. Agar wo tension mein us tarah se dekh rahe hain, nahi, unko unse bhi disagree hona padega. So iska koi ek simple ek answer nahi hai.
Wo context par bahut zyada matter karta hai. So agar aap sirf aise hi car mein ja rahe ho aur utre aur wahan par strays aa rahe hain then doori.
Phir slowly, slowly chance do apne dog ko ki wo apne dog se feedback lo and then phir aage badho. Okay.
Speaker 5
Clear.
Sunny
Cool man. That's it guys aaj ke liye.
Srijana
Sir wo calf ka batana aapne photo share ki thi.
Sunny
Are yaar! Itni saari cheezein hui hai na yahan par abhi kuch dino mein. Matlab main insaan hi badal gaya. Matlab itni cheezon se go through hua. So main bimaar tha aur main bahut zyada, bahut zyada bimaar tha aur main paanch minute mein bata-bataunga.
Like do, do baje mera ek aur call tha, lekin main paanch minute mein batata hoon. Do-aath toh ho hi gayi hai. Haan, so main, so yeah, so, so.
Speaker 5
Aa raha hoon, aa raha hoon, aa raha hoon, aa raha hoon. Do minute, do minute aa raha hoon. Aa raha hoon. Do minute mein aa jaata. Do minute mein aa.
Sunny
See dekha. So, so calf, calf ke saath kya hua main bimaar tha aur main, maine kaha chalo bhai sote hain.
aur mujhe baahar hai na barking ki aawaaz aayi bahut, bahut bhayankar. Toh barking ki aawaaz mera pack bark karta hai jab intruder aata hai. Toh mujhe samajh mein aaya ki yaar ye barking hai na ek intruder ki, koi intruder ghus gaya. Ab mere dimaag mein kya aaya intruder?
Yaar wo bailgaadi aati hai, uske saath do dogs aate hain, toh wo intruder aaya. Maine kaha chal bhai apni toh tabiyat kharaab hai, bukhaar hua hua hai, jukaam hua hua hai, rumaal lekar ghoom rahe hain, sar dukh raha hai. Toh kambal daala aur, aur sora.
Utne mein Roly jo humari ek aur dog hai, jo ghar mein hi rehti hai, wo zyada baahar nahi jaati. Usne paagalon ki tarah bark karna chaalu kiya. Aur jaise hi uski bark hoti hai na mera instinct turant bhaagta hai. Matlab uski bark, uski wo waisi bark hoti hai ki there is some problem.
Toh mera instinct kya turant bhaagta hai. Toh main jo so hi raha tha, jaise hi uski bark suni, mere haath ne kambal phenka aur main apne chadde mein poora bhaaga.
moze mein poora bhaag raha. Maine kaha yaar main baahar kaise aa gaya? Main idhar kaise aa gaya? Toh maine wahan door pahaad pe dekha, saare ke saare dogs ek ped ki taraf bark kar rahe hain. Maine kaha yaar ye ped ki taraf kyun bark kar rahe hain? Mujhse bahut door.
Aur neeche se Tony us pahaad ki taraf bhaagte hue ja raha aur tezi se kooda. Aur jaise hi wo kooda na andar se bachhda nikla. Maine kaha iski. Saare nau dogs ne us bachhde ko gher liya. Ab, haan, ab wo, ab ye dekha maine, main bhaaga. Maine kaha yaar is bachhde ko bachaana hai, ye toh khatam kar denge isko.
Kyunki dogs ka toh kaam hai intruder ko bhagaana. Ab ye bachhda itni tez bhaag nahi paayega. Wo phir kya karega? Aur wo bachhda chilla raha, main, main. Maine kaha main bhaaga aur main bhaag raha, itne mein bachhda dharan mein gir gaya. Dharan matlab reservoir.
Tumne abhi, tumhe, tumne maine, tumhaare saath maine photo share kiya na reservoir abhi poora bhar gaya.
toh reservoir poora bhar, poora bhar chuka hai. Are, are phone aa rahe hain yaar mere ko, mujhe jaana padega yaar. Main baaki ki kahaani tumhe baad mein sunaunga. Suspense reh jaayega. Bye bye guys and aage ki kahaani batata hoon abhi kya chal raha hai. Bye bye. Phir milenge. Theek hai.
Srijana
Thank you.
Sunny
Yeah, bye.
Srijana
Bye.
Speaker 5
Thank you so much.
Sunny
Yeah, bye.
Speaker 5
Thank you. Thanks.

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More calls on training

The behaviorist lens: instincts, personality and trigger stacking

Reading dog and human energy: a biting Indie case study

Sibling rivalry, spay recovery, and leash mastery in dog Q&A